Another one bites the dust

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by David Nebenzahl, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. I'll be glad to take your overflow ...
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Dec 21, 2007
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  2. David Nebenzahl

    jjs Guest

    Nicholas, there is plenty of room for another custom B&W printer. Given your
    experience, I am certain you know some pros who would be happy to have you
    as a printer. Warning - your spare time will vanish.
     
    jjs, Dec 21, 2007
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  3. Well, while fewer custom printers may or may not be a good thing, I can
    definitely say that *no* custom printers (in this case, no custom
    *color* printers in a very large part, if not all, of the San Francisco
    Bay Area) is a very bad thing.
     
    David Nebenzahl, Dec 21, 2007
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  4. David Nebenzahl

    jjs Guest

    Wasn't there a Gamma photo in the BA?
     
    jjs, Dec 22, 2007
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  5. Apparently still is (http://www.gammasf.com), but they only do b&w.
    (Wet, though.) There may also still be at least one in Oakland, judging
    from the prints still hanging in his window.

    I don't know for sure that there aren't *any* wet color labs hereabouts,
    but I know of none.
     
    David Nebenzahl, Dec 22, 2007
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  6. David Nebenzahl

    ____ Guest

    Labs have always been a losing proposition. Coupled with things like
    photographers with open accounts that don't pay its a bad business to be
    in. Now with high end inkjets that graphics departments can do in house
    imaging why spend the big bucks at the lab for just a single image when
    yo can invest a few 1,000 and do you own trade show displays.
     
    ____, Dec 31, 2007
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  7. David Nebenzahl

    ____ Guest

    Or lose a lot of money :)
     
    ____, Dec 31, 2007
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  8. Yeah, yeah, we all know too well why there aren't any wet color labs any
    more. What would be much more interesting would be to hear about the one
    or two still in business somewhere: people who aren't only interested in
    the economic aspects of the trade.
     
    David Nebenzahl, Dec 31, 2007
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  9. David Nebenzahl

    ____ Guest

    Yeah, yeah, we all know too well why there aren't any wet color labs any
    more. What would be much more interesting would be to hear about the one
    or two still in business somewhere: people who aren't only interested in
    the economic aspects of the trade.[/QUOTE]

    I personally would love a shot at it- that is; I would rather be
    printing 40+ a week than doing what I am, promoting such a business as
    any is a rather expensive proposition & requires advertising and such.
     
    ____, Dec 31, 2007
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  10. David Nebenzahl

    Guest Guest

    So there ya are again with obvious the economy lesson.
     
    Guest, Jan 1, 2008
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  11. David Nebenzahl

    ____ Guest

    Obvious is better than ignorant- in my book:) . Should the shoe fit feel
    free to wear it.
     
    ____, Jan 1, 2008
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  12. I was going to say, well, duh! Of course any business requires things
    like marketing, sufficient capitalization, etc. More basic than
    that--and I'm surprised you didn't mention *that* obvious fact--it needs
    a market of some kind.

    But assuming one puts in the time, effort and money, there still may be
    room for a viable business doing wet color printing, particularly since
    it will now be a "boutique" commodity, hard to find, not popular, but
    sought-after by a few who are willing to pay good money for good work.
     
    David Nebenzahl, Jan 1, 2008
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  13. David Nebenzahl

    ____ Guest


    I think it's obvious some people will pay for these services and pay
    well. Getting that business, is not so simple as advertising in the
    Yellow pages. For twelve years I actually have done that, with a tag
    line that I do black and white printing in addition to other
    Photographic services. In that time I have had no inquiries regarding
    printing. None.

    I have done this type of work for a few Photographers, it has not been
    enough to support me doing it exclusively. If one was to advertise in
    say Shutterbug and other photo magazines you might draw a wider audience
    of those more willing to spend the money-with out a reputation it
    probably will be a slow start. Of course there are other ways if one
    wants to exclusively pursue this type of business.

    So I do believe it can be done. Its just trade advertising is like 600
    an issue versus say the 1,200 my yellow pages ad runs per year. Without
    trade ads you'll get lots of inquiries, so someone has to answer the
    phone or you'll need a website or both. You can actually have too many
    inquiries to appear professional if you've no way to respond to all or
    are working a job as well as this venture, then word gets around your
    not serious. The next thing is a certain element of "Us" photographers
    are great big "D-heads" the most anal people you will ever meet and the
    most critical, there are a lot of photographers that will do everything
    possible not to pay you, your "fair" price. Or will pump you for
    information as to how you did what what you did.


    Advertising "duh" is the single biggest loss you take as a business,
    short of a fire or other tragedy "imop".

    Since word of mouth, is by many accounts a better course, perhaps
    involvement at a local camera club, arts organization etc,..can give the
    start one needs,....or maybe just a sign on the back of your SUV :)

    The last thing is time value, if I take a special two hours to make an
    8x10 -meaning chemical mixing etc. I have to at least charge what I
    could make working for my cheapest paying client, or lets say the
    average employer. Say I am willing to work for what my current employer
    is willing to pay me for that 2 hours of time. In my case your minimum
    cost is going to be 32.00 plus mailing or shipping that 8x10-not
    counting a percent for all business related expenses tied to getting
    your business-I also have to make enough from my business model to pay
    rent, and have a life. Since initially this is using available free time
    to do the work, I have to question: am I the type of person that likes
    spending my free time in the darkroom to do other peoples darkroom work?
    I also have to ask can I be motivated when I can make a lot more
    shooting images and actually seeing some daylight.
     
    ____, Jan 1, 2008
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  14. Well, fortunately for us, none of us here will have to worry our little
    heads over whether to take our business to you, as it's plain you're
    much too wracked with doubt to ever get such an enterprise off the ground.
     
    David Nebenzahl, Jan 2, 2008
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  15. David Nebenzahl

    ____ Guest

    I have better things to do with my time. Included in that is an adios.
    As in my last post. Good luck to the nice people here I wish you well
    for 2008.
     
    ____, Jan 2, 2008
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