Another Photo-Journalist added to the roll of honor.

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Savageduck, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. Savageduck

    George Kerby Guest

    A virtual Whitman Sampler, indeed!
    George Kerby, Jan 31, 2011
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    George Kerby Guest

    That is a question unique to No-Cal Martians.
    George Kerby, Jan 31, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    Bill, you of all people should know better. Just like any rough skinned
    fruit, you have to peel them first.

    ....and the "hippie" has been pre-seasoned with secret herbs & spices.
    Savageduck, Jan 31, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    Sooner or later the old farts among us are going to get the Rod Serling
    < >
    Savageduck, Jan 31, 2011
  5. the fence.

    OK. I will accept that as at least partial agreement with the point I
    was trying to make about the (perceived, not actual) relative value of
    human life ...

    Comment on quaint Usenet customs, from Usenet:

    To me, the *plonk...* reminds me of the old man at the public hearing
    who stands to make his point, then removes his hearing aid as a sign
    that he is not going to hear any rebuttals.
    David Nebenzahl, Jan 31, 2011
  6. I think you're being excessively dense here, almost wilfully obtuse, but
    I'll play along anyhow.

    The point I was trying to make is that when discussing the Vietnam War
    with an American audience, the number of dead is inevitably given as
    50-something thousand. (Savageduck pointed out that the actual number is
    close to 58K.) Never a *mention* of the far greater losses on the other
    side. To me, this is an unconscionable omission. Even if it is written
    by an American author in an American media organization to an American

    Either human life is worth exactly the same everywhere around the world
    or it isn't. Or, as Savageduck seems to agree, we're hypocrites.

    Comment on quaint Usenet customs, from Usenet:

    To me, the *plonk...* reminds me of the old man at the public hearing
    who stands to make his point, then removes his hearing aid as a sign
    that he is not going to hear any rebuttals.
    David Nebenzahl, Jan 31, 2011
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    John A. Guest

    I think you mean Damon Knight. I actually read the story before ever
    seeing the TV adaptation.

    The Simpsons version was amusing.
    John A., Jan 31, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    Yes, however, the mainstream of the 60's were more likely to have seen
    the "Twilight Zone" episode than to have read Knight.
    Savageduck, Jan 31, 2011
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    tony cooper Guest

    For your point to make any sense at all, you would have to provide
    some context where both figures would be required to provide a fair
    and useful comparison, and then you would have to defend your claim
    that there is "never" a mention of the other side's losses. That is
    beyond your reach and smacks of no more than hand-waving.

    Most books or instances of media coverage present an analysis from a
    particular perspective. If that perspective is that of the US, then
    an emphasis on US losses is eminently fair.
    That, in this context, is a non sequitur of nonpareil dimension. An
    accounting of lives lost has nothing whatsoever to do with a valuation
    of human life. It's a quantitative statement, not a qualitative

    To conform to that rather absurd premise, the death of each individual
    would have to be reported with equal space (print media) or equal time
    (visual/audio media).
    tony cooper, Jan 31, 2011
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    George Kerby Guest

    I liked the "From Dust to Dessert" reference.
    George Kerby, Jan 31, 2011
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    C J Campbell Guest

    a shame. Still, of him it can also be said that he lived.

    Coverage of Tunis and Egypt in the US has been abominable, as usual.
    Only Fox News has given it any air time at all. The other major
    networks are more interested in doing news stories about the lives of
    their talking heads, how much they get paid, etc. Have any of them
    actually sent correspondents to the area?
    C J Campbell, Jan 31, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    NBC, BBC, AP, & Reuters all seem to have a fair number of
    correspondents & teams in the area, with most focused on Cairo. They
    seem to be taking this seriously, as they should. These events do not
    bode well for the Middle-East.

    Something worth considering is, we have armed both the Egyptians and
    the Israelis with all sorts of goodies, such as 1000 M1 Abrams tanks
    for the Egyptians along with various other vehicles and weapons, and
    218 F-16's. Then there is an order of AH-64 Apache gunships waiting
    The Israeli's already have 55 AH-1 Cobra's & 48 AH-64's. To match the
    Egyptian F-16's, they have 286 F-16's, 43 F-15's, & 25 F-15E's. For a
    ground war they have their own tank, the Merkava, of which they
    currently have 1680 various models active with 300 in production. They
    also have a tank reserve of 1550 based on M60 & M48 tanks.

    So there could be a little more tension in the region than most are
    comfortable with, and there is much twitching in Washington.
    Savageduck, Jan 31, 2011
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    shiva das Guest

    Thanks, Duck, I share your concerns.

    As to Fox's sheer domination of the coverage, I suppose the OP never
    heard of CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS, Al Jazzeera Engish, New York Times, Wall
    Street Journal, Washington Post, Agance France Press...

    NBC had 6 correspondents on air from Cairo this evening.

    I guess if one only watches Fox "news" and listens to wingnut talk radio
    one might get the impression that no one else is covering the situation
    in Egypt.

    By the way, who did Fox send to Egypt, Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck?
    shiva das, Feb 1, 2011
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    John A. Guest

    Or, rather, who do they think they sent to Egypt?
    John A., Feb 1, 2011
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    peter Guest

    I know a wildlife photographer who always wears a watch when
    photographing cannibals.

    He fears being boiled alive and figures that a watched kettle never boils.
    peter, Feb 1, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    Aah! Egypt, Iraq, what difference does it make to Faux News? Their
    viewers (and their graphics Dept.) are not going to care one way or

    They are catering to the lowest common denominator, and in that World
    geography is not a strong point.
    Savageduck, Feb 1, 2011
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    peter Guest

    In some cultures, hopefully in the US, all life is equally valuable.
    Consider that if a culture devalues the lives of its own people, it is
    difficult to place a higher value on the life of a member of that
    culture, than its own culture does.
    peter, Feb 1, 2011
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    peter Guest

    I hope they send both + Rush, for a start.
    Perhaps Roger could help too.

    BTW ever see this:


    But with this new information, one thing is now uncertain. Did Fox
    actually not know the name of the Kingdom Foundation leader or that he
    is a News Corp investor? Or did they, as Stewart said, "purposefully
    cover it up because it didn't help their fear-driven narrative?"

    Stewart turned to John Oliver and Wyatt Cynac to figure out whether Fox
    is, in fact, evil or stupid?


    peter, Feb 1, 2011
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    C J Campbell Guest

    Actually, I don't watch TV news much. I get most of my news from Wall
    Street Journal, AP, NPR and USA Today apps on my iPad. TV is just about
    dead. And anyone who throws me in with the "wingnuts" probably doesn't
    read this news group much. I am a libertarian, unaffiliated with any
    political party.
    C J Campbell, Feb 2, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    How can you call yourself a Libertarian and claim to be unaffiliated
    with any political party?
    That is an oxymoronic statement.

    The Libertarian Party is the third largest political party in the
    country. There have been winning Libertarian Party candidates in US
    elections since 1978. It hold ballot status, along with the GOP, and
    the Democratic party in all 50 states.
    Your last Libertarian Party Presidential candidate in 2008 was Bob
    Barr. I am sure he appreciated your support.

    Having no affiliation with a political party is to be an independent,
    not a Libertarian. Unless you don't know what it means to be a
    Libertarian, that is.
    Savageduck, Feb 2, 2011
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