Ansel arrives 6/8

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Robert Coe, May 18, 2012.

  1. Robert Coe

    Robert Coe Guest

    Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
    the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
    will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
    wife.

    This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
    (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
    better known. For more info, see:
    http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 18, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    We're planning on western MA in early July for an economics seminar.
    Not sure I can sneak in a ride as far east as Salem though (about 3
    hours away).
     
    Alan Browne, May 18, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    If my leg is better we will be in MA several weekends this summer.
    Amherst, for a photo convention, and Tanglewood, If we can travel, awe
    will also spend a week in ME and definitely stop n Salem.
     
    PeterN, May 19, 2012
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    philo Guest


    My wife and I will be in NY next week but will not be able to make it to
    MA...I am sure we will find some photo exhibits there.
    As a matter of fact, a lot of rain is predicted so we may hit up more
    galleries than we usually do.

    We normally do a lot of walking 5 - 9 miles a day...
    but both of my knees gave out and my walking is quite limited.
    I am going to get knee replacement surgery soon after we get back.
    Both of them!

    I will finally have time to sort though the thousands of photos I have.


    If anyone is in NY next week, my wife and I will be easy to spot...

    Another short, bald man with a younger looking wife.
    I am not fat though, but I limp a bit!
     
    philo, May 19, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    There are many that meet your description. However, I am tall bald and
    overweight. I live just East on NY. Right now my walking is limited, but
    contact me by email, if you want to meet for some sunset or evening
    shooting. I go for hyperbaric treatments at 2:00, so I am not available
    until after 5:00.
     
    PeterN, May 19, 2012
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    philo Guest

    Thanks...but my wife has our week already booked up with activities...
    good luck on your treatment though...
    I know it sometimes sucks to get old and have medical problems...
    but it usually beats the alternative!
     
    philo, May 19, 2012
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    Michael Guest

    Thanks for the headsup. PEM is only about an hour from me
     
    Michael, May 20, 2012
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  8. Robert Coe

    Robert Coe Guest

    : Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
    : the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
    : will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
    : wife.
    :
    : This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
    : (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
    : better known. For more info, see:
    : http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge

    The event was definitely worth the trip, the only downside being the typically
    horrendous traffic on Rte 128 getting there. The exhibit is large and lives up
    to expectations. A lot of Ansel's relentlessly monochromatic work is
    indispubably murky and repetitive, but some of it is spectacular; and all of
    it is interesting. A jaw-dropping feature of this exhibit is three enormous
    murals he did for a predecessor of the Wells Fargo Bank. Printing those with
    mid-20th-century materials and equipment was a major engineering challenge.
    Also interesting is a picture that illustrate's Adams's innovative approach to
    HDR photography, which I guess survived until it was overtaken by digital
    techniques.

    If you live within visiting distance of the PEM and haven't seen it, you
    should. It's a large, modern facility with nicely laid out exhibit space. It's
    within an easy walk of a commuter train station, and there's a relatively
    inexpensive city parking garage adjacent to the museum grounds. Its staff is
    as friendly and helpful as any you'll find, matched only by the Wadsworth
    Atheneum in Hartford. The PEM claims to have the largest collection of
    photographs in the U.S., and there are two other photography exhibits (which
    we didn't have time to see) going on in parallel with the Adams.

    An unexpected highlight of the evening was that the museum store was selling
    coffee mugs in the shape of a lens, complete with a cover that exactly
    resembles a lens cap. We got the last two, but maybe they'll receive another
    shipment soon! ;^)

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jun 9, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    In what manner did that picture illustrate that?
    Sounds great. The chances of me getting there before the show ends are
    pretty low, however.

    We're still not sure if we're doing a road trip or flying somewhere this
    summer. I'm leaning on road towards bluegrass country or Gaspé, my SO
    is thinking Greece/Turkiye.
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 9, 2012
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  10. Robert Coe

    Robert Coe Guest

    On 2012-06-09 10:55 , Robert Coe wrote:
    : > : Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
    : > : the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
    : > : will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
    : > : wife.
    : > :
    : > : This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
    : > : (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
    : > : better known. For more info, see:
    : > : http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
    : >
    : > The event was definitely worth the trip, the only downside being the typically
    : > horrendous traffic on Rte 128 getting there. The exhibit is large and lives up
    : > to expectations. A lot of Ansel's relentlessly monochromatic work is
    : > indispubably murky and repetitive, but some of it is spectacular; and all of
    : > it is interesting. A jaw-dropping feature of this exhibit is three enormous
    : > murals he did for a predecessor of the Wells Fargo Bank. Printing those with
    : > mid-20th-century materials and equipment was a major engineering challenge.
    : > Also interesting is a picture that illustrate's Adams's innovative approach to
    : > HDR photography, which I guess survived until it was overtaken by digital
    : > techniques.
    :
    : In what manner did that picture illustrate that?

    Well, the print shows a picture with clear detail all over and no blown
    highlights. The accompanying commentary explains that Adams came up with a
    technique for selectively developing different areas of a (large-format)
    negative using different development times and (I believe) varying
    temperatures and chemical strengths. IOW, the kind of detail that only a
    compulsive perfectionist like Adams (or maybe Weston) would have the patience
    to attempt.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jun 9, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Are you sure he was changing dev on the negative itself? That would
    require a lot of "mapping and masking" to achieve. I suppose one could
    selectively strip away masking to develop the areas needing most
    time/chem/temp first and then "revealing" the highlight areas
    progressively til last... sounds complex at best. (Imagine you get the
    negative upside down...!).
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 9, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    That's Adams & the "Zone" for you.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 9, 2012
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  13. Robert Coe

    Robert Coe Guest

    On 2012-06-09 12:40 , Robert Coe wrote:
    : > On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:56:18 -0400, Alan Browne
    : > : On 2012-06-09 10:55 , Robert Coe wrote:
    : > : > : Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
    : > : > : the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
    : > : > : will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
    : > : > : wife.
    : > : > :
    : > : > : This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
    : > : > : (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
    : > : > : better known. For more info, see:
    : > : > : http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
    : > : >
    : > : > The event was definitely worth the trip, the only downside being the typically
    : > : > horrendous traffic on Rte 128 getting there. The exhibit is large and lives up
    : > : > to expectations. A lot of Ansel's relentlessly monochromatic work is
    : > : > indispubably murky and repetitive, but some of it is spectacular; and all of
    : > : > it is interesting. A jaw-dropping feature of this exhibit is three enormous
    : > : > murals he did for a predecessor of the Wells Fargo Bank. Printing those with
    : > : > mid-20th-century materials and equipment was a major engineering challenge.
    : > : > Also interesting is a picture that illustrate's Adams's innovative approach to
    : > : > HDR photography, which I guess survived until it was overtaken by digital
    : > : > techniques.
    : > :
    : > : In what manner did that picture illustrate that?
    : >
    : > Well, the print shows a picture with clear detail all over and no blown
    : > highlights. The accompanying commentary explains that Adams came up with a
    : > technique for selectively developing different areas of a (large-format)
    : > negative using different development times and (I believe) varying
    : > temperatures and chemical strengths. IOW, the kind of detail that only a
    : > compulsive perfectionist like Adams (or maybe Weston) would have the patience
    : > to attempt.
    :
    : Are you sure he was changing dev on the negative itself? That would
    : require a lot of "mapping and masking" to achieve. I suppose one could
    : selectively strip away masking to develop the areas needing most
    : time/chem/temp first and then "revealing" the highlight areas
    : progressively til last... sounds complex at best. (Imagine you get the
    : negative upside down...!).

    I agree that it would be extremely difficult; you presumably couldn't dare to
    even use a safelight until the development was nearly complete. But I do think
    it said the negative, not the print.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jun 9, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Safelights will fog undeveloped negatives, so forget that.
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 9, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    You have to go back to Adams and his implementation of the "Zone
    system" which starts with visualization of the scene, metering, the use
    of sheet film and compensating for desired "visualized" effects during
    developing the negative. This is pure darkroom developing of the
    negative using chemistry and time, no light/safelight involved. That
    was left for his prints. He knew what he wanted from his negative
    because of his meticulous planning and scene visualization.

    For example, if developed normally the negative is unable to produce
    the desired result on print. So "expansion" development is used to
    increase the negative contrast to raise a Zone VII placement to Zone
    VIII, Adams called this "N+1" development. This is purely a change in
    chemistry, no light involved.
    He would also do the reverse to get detail in shadow, or highlights on
    what would have been a high contrast negative. So a scene element known
    to be in Zone IX is moved to Zone VII when developing the film. This
    was termed "N-1" development. Sometimes he used further extremes using
    "N+2" and "N-2" development.

    Only then did he move on to using the Zone System on his prints using
    his dodging and burning techniques and toning with chemistry.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 9, 2012
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  16. A more likely method is to underdevelop the plate as a whole and then
    use an intensifier on the parts that need further development, that's
    what Stieglitz is known to have done.

    To vary actual development would require working by safelight which
    would require orthochromatic film, but the fact that Adams mentions
    using red filters to darken the sky when taking photos suggests he was
    using panchromatic film.
     
    Gordon Freeman, Jun 9, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    I hope to get there. But, can only do so after my hyperbaric treatments
    ends.
     
    PeterN, Jun 10, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I didn't mention safelight in that context just that one is not used
    when developing _negatives_ as the _negative_ will __fog__. Safelights
    are for working __prints__ (and even then they can fog given enough time
    or intensity, just not as quickly as __negatives__.

    The discussion was about Adams doing selective negative development over
    the area of the film. eg: one portion of the film receiving more
    time/chem/temp than other areas. This would be difficult in any context.

    (I'm well aware of the principles (and most of the practices) of zone
    photography)
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 10, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Fine, fine, fine.
    So we were on the same page all along?
     
    Savageduck, Jun 10, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    We weren't on it to begin with - Robert was presenting the AA "chemical"
    HDR idea and I was trying to understand it (and I still don't get what
    specifically AA was doing).
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 10, 2012
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