Anti Shake performance [Max 7D]

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Alan Browne, May 8, 2005.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Alan Browne, May 8, 2005
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    Mr. Mark Guest

    Mr. Mark, May 8, 2005
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  3. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest


    No experience with panning + anti-shake, but the manual states that it
    is less effective when panning.

    Some of the Canon IS lenses do do panning well (I believe), but the
    first flight IS lenses do not. No idea about Nikon.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, May 8, 2005
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  4. Alan Browne

    Mr. Mark Guest

    How does that affect panning?
    I wonder if it would take some of the pan from the pan if you know what I
    mean :)

    BTW, I meant to mention before that the samples were pretty impressive.
     
    Mr. Mark, May 9, 2005
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    Paul Furman Guest


    OK that inspired me to break out the manual for my Nikon 70-200 VR
    (about time). It has two modes, normal and active. Normal corrects more
    in the vertical and when panning, even more so. It's specifically
    designed for panning. The second mode is "active" which has equal
    hor/ver correction that they recommend only for using in a moving
    vehicle (where things are bouncing every which way).
     
    Paul Furman, May 9, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    If one intends to use IS while panning, it is necessary to stop for a
    second for each shot. Otherwise the IS may try to compensate for the
    lateral motion of the pan.
     
    Ron Hunter, May 9, 2005
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  7. My main photo interest is aviation; I recently shot my first air show
    with the new 7D and Sigma 50-500mm. I found that - despite my lack of
    recent practice (early in the year, first show in several months), a bad
    back that has reduced my stability while standing, and the sheer heft of
    the 'Bigma' - that I got consistently better handheld results than I
    have in recent years with my 9xi's and older Sigma 500mm prime lens.

    I was a little concerned in advance that not having visual feedback in
    the viewfinder of where the AS would plop the actual images on the
    sensor might lead to missing noses and tails, but really didn't see this
    in the results, the few times it did were more my own fault for the
    above-mentioned reasons. Overall, I'm as pleased as someone who is
    really pleased (but metaphorically impaired) by the new gear!

    Sorry, still working on image prep for several other projects; I don't
    have examples to post just yet.

    Bob ^,,^
     
    Bob Harrington, May 9, 2005
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  8. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    It depends on a lot of things in how they implemented their control
    laws. If one could pan, steady state, and the control law could would
    react only to small 'jerk' movements in that axis, then it might be
    pretty good.
    Thanks. It was quickly done. To be more fair to the AS system, I
    should have perhaps shot that at about 1/40 (instead of 1/25) to be two
    stops down from the effective FL of 150.

    I should have also shot 6 shots at 1/160, handheld, as an example of
    "rule-of-thumb" performance.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, May 9, 2005
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    Mr. Mark Guest

    If one intends to use IS while panning, it is necessary to stop for a
    That would be fun to play with. :)
     
    Mr. Mark, May 9, 2005
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  10. Alan Browne

    Mr. Mark Guest

    My main photo interest is aviation; I recently shot my first air show

    Can't wait to see them! Which airshow?
     
    Mr. Mark, May 9, 2005
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    Bill Tuthill Guest

    Yes, seems to indicate a 3-stop advantage, like Canon IS,
    rather than the 2 stops that Minolta originally advertised.
     
    Bill Tuthill, May 9, 2005
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  12. IS,
    VR and A-S stated
    correction in stops

    Canon
    EF 75-300 f4-5.6 IS USM -2 stops
    EF300 f4L IS USM -2
    EF 28-135 f3.5-5.6 IS USM -2
    EF 100-400 f4.5-5.6L IS USM -2
    EF 500 f4L IS USM -2
    EF 400 f2.8L IS USM -2
    EF 600 f4L IS USM -2
    EF 70-200 f2.8L IS USM -3
    EF 400 f4 DO IS USM -3
    EF 28-300 f3.5-5.6L IS USM -3
    EF 70-300 f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM -3
    EF-S 17-85 f4-5.6 IS USM -3

    Nikon
    AF-S 24-120 f3.5-5.6G ED-IF VR -3 stops
    AF-S 70-200 f2.8G ED-IF VR -3
    AF 80-400 f4.5-5.6D ED VR -3
    AF-S 200-400 f4G ED VR -3
    AF-S 200 f2G ED-IF VR -3
    AF-S 300f2.8G ED-IF VR -3

    Konica-Minolta
    Maxxum 7D -3 stops
    =========================

    Panning Capability

    Canon
    EF 75-300 f4-5.6 IS USM -no
    EF300 f4L IS USM -yes
    EF 28-135 f3.5-5.6 IS USM -no
    EF 100-400 f4.5-5.6L IS USM -yes
    EF 500 f4L IS USM -yes
    EF 400 f2.8L IS USM -yes
    EF 600 f4L IS USM -yes
    EF 70-200 f2.8L IS USM -yes
    EF 400 f4 DO IS USM -yes
    EF 28-300 f3.5-5.6L IS USM -yes
    EF 70-300 f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM -no
    EF-S 17-85 f4-5.6 IS USM -no

    Nikon
    AF-S 24-120 f3.5-5.6G ED-IF VR -yes
    AF-S 70-200 f2.8G ED-IF VR -yes
    AF 80-400 f4.5-5.6D ED VR -yes
    AF-S 200-400 f4G ED VR -yes
    AF-S 200 f2G ED-IF VR -yes
    AF-S 300f2.8G ED-IF VR -yes

    Konica-Minolta
    Maxxum 7D -no
    ===========================

    Stabilization On Tripod

    Canon
    EF 75-300 f4-5.6 IS USM -no
    EF300 f4L IS USM -no
    EF 28-135 f3.5-5.6 IS USM -no
    EF 100-400 f4.5-5.6L IS USM -no
    EF 500 f4L IS USM -yes
    EF 400 f2.8L IS USM -yes
    EF 600 f4L IS USM -yes
    EF 70-200 f2.8L IS USM -yes
    EF 400 f4 DO IS USM -yes
    EF 28-300 f3.5-5.6L IS USM -yes
    EF 70-300 f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM -yes
    EF-S 17-85 f4-5.6 IS USM -yes

    Nikon
    AF-S 24-120 f3.5-5.6G ED-IF VR -no
    AF-S 70-200 f2.8G ED-IF VR -no
    AF 80-400 f4.5-5.6D ED VR -no
    AF-S 200-400 f4G ED VR -yes
    AF-S 200 f2G ED-IF VR -yes
    AF-S 300f2.8G ED-IF VR -yes

    Konica-Minolta
    Maxxum 7D -no

    A chart can be found in the June 2005 issue of Popular Photography
    Magazine.



    Cody,

    http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks
     
    AnOvercomer 02, May 9, 2005
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  13. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Optimistic at best.

    PANNING
    False. Per the manual "reduced effectiveness", but it does work. No
    specified amount.

    TRIPOD
    kinda pointless in any case.
    I'll be sure to look it up. But I won't buy the damned thing!

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, May 9, 2005
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  14. A small (but growing) fly-in at Bay View airport (BVS) in Skagit County
    in rural northwest Washington state. A nice turnout by the Cascade
    Warbirds, and some great old classic Stinsons and a seriously
    lust-inducing Beech Staggerwing. (8)^}

    Bob ^,,^
     
    Bob Harrington, May 9, 2005
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  15. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Always lusted after the Staggerwing... my father had a 1948 Aeronca
    Sedan... only 11 in Canada at the time ... 3 of them based where I was a
    flight instructor.
     
    Alan Browne, May 9, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I've added two columns of photos so that:

    First two columns are shot at 2.7 stops slower than rule of thumb speed.
    (without and with AS)

    Third column is at 2 stops slower than rule-of-thumb, with AS on. Great
    improvement. I really think this validates AS as a "2 stop" capability
    and they look pretty much as good as the tripod shot.

    Fourth column is at 'rule of thumb' speed, without AS. Looks like I
    need to work out and increase my arm strenght!

    (Note that all of these images are 100%, unsharpened crops from a
    3008x2000 pixel image).

    Thank you Cody for the list of IS/VRlenses. I thought Nikon had only 3
    or 4 VRs.

    Cheers,
    Alan.

    http://www.aliasimages.com/KM7D_AS_Test.htm
     
    Alan Browne, May 9, 2005
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    Mr. Mark Guest

    Can't wait to see them! Which airshow?
    Sweet. I didn't make it to Sun n Fun for the second year in a row. Decided
    to shoot at a local state park instead. Now I wish I had gone to the air
    show.
     
    Mr. Mark, May 9, 2005
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  18. Along these lines, I wonder if the IS mechanism just holds the moveable lens
    elements hard against their stop, or if it brings them back to center
    position in preparation for the end of the panning.....IOW, is there a
    period of maximum motion or blur that it goes through while the camera is
    panning? (assuming you leave the IS on during the pan)
     
    William Graham, May 9, 2005
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    Walt Hanks Guest

    Do you guys ever make it to the Reno races?

    My father was one of the founders of the Reno Air Races and I grew up
    building planes and crewing for them. I have pictures ranging from the
    first races at the Sky Ranch to the mid-70's at Stead when we stopped going.
    They had become too commercial for my Dad's taste (he hated the Red Baron).

    One of my best memories of my Dad is the first time he let me have the
    controls on our 140. I was 5 at the time and could barely reach them, but I
    knew I was flying the plane. Great memories.

    Walt

    BTW, there are Staggerwings listed on eBay regularly.
     
    Walt Hanks, May 9, 2005
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  20. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Walt Hanks wrote:

    No. My father made it there once or twice and he made Oshkosh every
    couple/three years.
    Fun stuff.
    Cherokee 140 or Cessna 140? big difference, esp. on landing.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, May 9, 2005
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