Any 35mm cameras with a lcd preview screen?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by David Van, Nov 3, 2004.

  1. David Van

    David Van Guest

    I hope this isn't a dumb question, I don't know alot about cameras.
    I'd like to know if they make any inexpensive 'point and shoot' 35mm
    film cameras that also have an LCD preview screen on the back, like a
    digital camera? My wife prefers a film camera, but likes the LCD
    screen feature of a digital. I'm looking for one for Christmas, but
    hopefully under maybe $60.

    Thanks, Dave
    David Van, Nov 3, 2004
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  2. (David Van) wrote in
    No. Not much point, really, since a viewfinder shows the image
    sharper, more accurately, in all lighting conditions, and without a
    buttload of unnnecessary and power-draining electronics.

    And trust me, taking pics with the camera held out in front of you
    like a temple offering is a bad habit to get into.

    Aim for a higher price, and get a decent model. Shop around a bit.
    $60 isn't likely to get you a decent camera in any respect.

    - Al.
    Al Denelsbeck, Nov 3, 2004
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  3. My initial mental response was "Of course not; no one would build such
    a thing". By the time you've added a sensor, LCD, and the power source
    for it all you've made 80% of a digital camera.

    Then I brought up a vague memory of Kodak building a similar camera a
    couple of years ago. Anyone else remember that, or did I imagine it?
    Scott Schuckert, Nov 3, 2004
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    ChrisPlatt Guest

    Kodak sold an APS camera with this feature.
    I believe they called it the Advantix Preview.

    Excelsior, you fatheads!
    ChrisPlatt, Nov 3, 2004
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    Matt White Guest

    Yup. Sold for about US$200 or so, as I recall. I forget the exact model, but
    I do remember that the preview just allowed one to have an image tagged
    with a "do not print" flag. I think it also allowed one to select the print
    quantity, but I'm sure about that. An interesting gadget, but once real
    digicams became just as good and just as cheap, it was all over.

    - Matt White
    Matt White, Nov 3, 2004
  6. As I recall, Kodak did an APS camera with electronic shot review, but
    I bet it's out of production.
    Stephen H. Westin, Nov 3, 2004
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    Mr Jessop Guest

    Yes it exists. Someone brought one in for repair. It was aps. Its simply
    a preview screen. Complete waste.
    Mr Jessop, Nov 3, 2004
  8. Sorry, it is ;-)
    If such a thing were possible with 35mm film, it would be more expensive
    than a digital camera (in fact it would be a digital camera, just with a
    roll of film in the way). Although for the sheer enjoyment of photography I
    personally prefer film SLRs, I have to admit there is no good reason for the
    average consumer to buy film point-and-shoots over digital ones anymore.
    Martin Francis, Nov 3, 2004
  9. Since the LCD screen display comes from the digital sensor, it would have to
    be a complete digital camera and it might as well record the digital image,
    rather than use film.

    Nonetheless I seem to recall that somebody marketed a camera like this.
    Kodak, maybe?
    Michael A. Covington, Nov 3, 2004
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    Peter Chant Guest

    MF with waist level finder? Not quite what the poster was after...
    Peter Chant, Nov 3, 2004
  11. David Van

    David Van Guest

    The short answer is, because my wife wants one, that's why :)
    David Van, Nov 4, 2004
  12. Except, of course, that the small LCD used for such a display would
    display in a resolution that is, by still photographic standards, very
    low. So presumably the sensor was of similarly low resolution.

    But the camera would need to be optically more complex than a simple
    point-and-shoot, either digital or film-based, because the image needs
    to be recorded in two places at once. As digital camera electronics
    have improved both in price and in quality, the ideal lost whatever
    appeal it might have had.

    Stephen H. Westin, Nov 4, 2004
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    Jan Keirse Guest

    Hehe, this brings a nice thought to me. Stop the rediculous war between digital
    and film. Just imagine, a camera that captures it's images both on film and on
    ccd. You have all the advantages of a digital camera (ok, you'll still have to
    pay film if you want to use the two modes). And if you have a certain image that
    would have been better when captured on film (for higher resolution, dynamic
    range,...) you have it on film to ;-). wonder how much extra bulk this would add
    to the camera (it is possible though, using eg a prism like used in the olympus
    E10-20, although you'd loose a stop).

    Just a silly thought
    Jan Keirse, Nov 4, 2004
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    Kodak use to make a few versions of a camera called a Preview Cam. They
    stopped production of all small cameras almost a year ago, though you
    might be able to find new examples in some stores.
    Maybe at that low cost, considering that they are discontinued. As
    others have mentioned, it might be easier to find the APS film version,
    though I thought they made a 35 mm film version for a short time period.
    Gordon Moat, Nov 5, 2004
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    Pingoleon Guest

    My ideal hybrid camera would be a 35ff camera body which accepts a compact
    flash/SD card where information like aperure, shutter speed, mode, focal
    length ,date,time etc will be recorded.
    There's nothing more annoyinf tryting to rememeber what shutter speed you
    used in a pic.

    And i dont see why it would be difficult. Camera 'knows' exposure
    information etc, why can't they save it in a small memory card which you can
    then read in yuor computer and either keep them like that, or embedd them in
    the scanned photos as EXIF.
    Pingoleon, Nov 6, 2004
  16. David Van

    Pingoleon Guest

    i'm sure you can think of other ways to make her happy with $60....
    Pingoleon, Nov 6, 2004
  17. Several of the high-end Nikon models save that type of information. You
    download it to your computer through a serial connection, rather than
    having removable media.
    Scott Schuckert, Nov 6, 2004
  18. Why not record it on the film? Either add a magnetic stripe a la APS,
    or flash it in barcode near the sprocket holes.
    Stephen H. Westin, Nov 8, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    My Maxxum 9 does this, remembering the last 4 rolls worth of shooting info. I
    have that feature turned off. An alternate back can be installed that has a
    Smart Media card in it that can be used to xfer the data to a computer (and for
    many more rolls) and it "prints" between film frames with a tiny LED array with
    aperture/speed/film ID, date or time for each frame. No, I don't have it.

    The Maxxum 7 can store 7 rolls of exposure data ... and exposes a reference
    number onto the film leader so that you can figure out which slides/negs batch
    corresponds to the data. A lens mount accessory can be used to extract the data
    for trasnfer to PC via SmartMedia card (a bit of a strange and expensive (for
    the user) way to do things).

    The Canon EOS 1v has a memory system as well and connects to a PC directly to
    get the shooting data out. Much more convenient than the Maxxum approach.

    Alan Browne, Nov 8, 2004
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    Sander Vesik Guest

    Well, not quite - consider for example the Nikon F6 (and F6) which do
    in fact have a small CCD anyways for being able to do colour metering.
    The CCD in question is about 1000 pixels "large". So making it be a couple
    of "k pizels" and routing that into a preview wouldn't really be anything
    major and certainly not converted it into a hybrid or even digital camera.
    Sander Vesik, Nov 9, 2004
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