Any Minolta/Sony users using UFRaw and GIMP?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Jeffery Small, Apr 5, 2014.

  1. Jeffery Small

    Guest Guest

    and with similar limitations.
    once again, more work than needed. on a mac, there's no need to run
    anything (especially using a command line). a simple tap of the space
    bar gives a quick look of nearly any file (photos, pdfs, spreadsheets,
    zip files and much more), which is why it's called quick look.
     
    Guest, Apr 7, 2014
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  2. Jeffery Small

    sid Guest

    what limitations are these?
    So how does quick look know which file you would like to see?
     
    sid, Apr 7, 2014
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  3. None of course. Which OS is used makes no difference
    for interpolation of raw sensor data to an image.

    We all know that. But nospam just wants an argument...
    And if "take a quick look at things" doesn't mean
    literally just viewing, but involves something else. It
    could be for generation of an histogram or any other
    kind of data analysis, which in fact requires the image
    file rather than a visual display of the image.

    DCRAW is commonly used for comparisons between camera
    models to provide essentially the same processing to
    disparate raw sensor data provided by different camera
    models and even across manufacturers.

    For those like nospam who cannot envision any use not
    provided by someone else for him, there is no need for
    programs like DCRAW. For those who work out of that box
    DCRAW is a very useful tool.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Apr 7, 2014
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  4. Jeffery Small

    Guest Guest

    nonsense. *everything* has limitations, even dcraw.
    also wrong.

    you, however, cannot admit you're wrong and will argue forever.
    that's more than a quick look and you once again are talking out your
    ass.

    quick look requires the file (how could it not?) and can easily show a
    histogram or anything else based on the contents of the file. there's
    not much demand for that so it's not a standard feature but it would be
    trivial to write a plug-in to implement it, if the user wanted to.
    not as common as adobe camera raw, which is what is almost always used
    for comparisons and what dpreview has standardized on for many, many
    years.
    why would i have a use for dcraw when i have a raw converter that does
    a better job and in less time?

    the problem is you can't see beyond dcraw. that's all you know.
     
    Guest, Apr 7, 2014
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  5. Jeffery Small

    Guest Guest

    everything has limitations and dcraw is no different. among its
    limitations are it's speed, quality and supported cameras, as well as
    its user interface.
    the ones you have selected. obviously.
     
    Guest, Apr 7, 2014
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  6. Jeffery Small

    Alan Browne Guest

    Linux is a great OS - but not for "desktop" though that community
    desperately tries to make it so.

    The market for desktop users of Linux is less than 2% [1] of the overall
    desktop based on web stats. Linux finds its strength in servers,
    databases, transaction systems, super computers, embedded and other "out
    of view" systems - and does very well there.

    It's not surprising that Adobe avoid the Linux market - there isn't one
    worth addressing.

    (By 'desktop' I include laptops running conventional OS';
    ie: excluding iOS, Android, Chrome (the OS), etc).

    Windows is a horrible OS (tragically flawed), but its dominance (a
    blessing by way of a series of unfortunate events) makes it the defacto
    OS for most offices and homes.

    [1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers
     
    Alan Browne, Apr 7, 2014
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  7. Jeffery Small

    Alan Browne Guest

    You came in ignoring that I gave the OP advice concerning his case and
    latched on to my last sentence. A sentence I will always use when the
    subject of the Gimp comes up wrt to serious workflow (which raw usage
    implies) and I certainly make no apology for it - never mind "saving face".
     
    Alan Browne, Apr 7, 2014
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  8. Jeffery Small

    Alan Browne Guest

    Did you get the raws from the Sony to import correctly in UFRaw/Gimp?
     
    Alan Browne, Apr 7, 2014
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  9. No. There appears to be some problem with the 0.19.2 build on my system.
    When I get a free slot, I will try to build a later version which people are
    reporting does seem to work.

    Regards,
     
    Jeffery Small, Apr 7, 2014
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  10. Jeffery Small

    Guest Guest

    missing the point entirely.
     
    Guest, Apr 7, 2014
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  11. Jeffery Small

    Alan Browne Guest

    I hate to defend nospam, but you missed the point.

    Where you said earlier you would use dcraw to "get a quick look at
    things" nospam replied that on a Mac it's just a question of pointing
    (in a file list in a finder (folder) window) and tapping (on my setup
    with a track pad, simply tap the pad with three fingers) and the image
    is shown instantly. No need to enter a command line. No need to view
    the result with another viewer. It's just there - in front of you
    instantly. And no thumbnail littering the folder afterwards.

    I just did as you suggested earlier (dcraw -e on a file) and it took
    about 20 seconds to open a terminal, change folders to where the raw
    file was, then enter the command, then open the thumbnail for a look.

    Same quick look from an open finder window took much less than a second
    ... and didn't leave me (a) thumbnail files that I now have to go delete
    from the prior dcraw -e operation.

    (I'd actually use "Bridge" to preview images - but that's not an OS
    issue - with that I can rifle through an astonishing number of raw files
    quickly and w/o any fuss).

    Mac OS X has been the chosen photography/graphics OS for a long time
    because that is one place it found a strong following decades ago. It's
    no surprise that the UI layers of OS X support photography so directly.
     
    Alan Browne, Apr 7, 2014
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  12. Jeffery Small

    sid Guest

    Selected where? you must be running something to be able to see files to
    select. That's not some sort of file manager you are running is it? And what
    do you think happens when you tap the spacebar? It runs some viewing
    software, so that's 2 things you've run.
     
    sid, Apr 7, 2014
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  13. Jeffery Small

    Alan Browne Guest

    In "Finder" (folder viewer that is part of the "desktop" of OS X)
    It's integrated with the OS desktop UI (Aqua).
    Yes - Finder - that which is integrated with the UI (Aqua) (as it is in
    Unity, Gnome, KDE etc.).

    And what
    The s/w in question is integrated with the OS X desktop (Aqua) and is
    accessible as nospam described.

    See my other post.
     
    Alan Browne, Apr 7, 2014
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  14. Jeffery Small

    PeterN Guest

    Are you talking about Photoshop CC?
    There are quit a few more choices. And there is PerfectResize, which has
    completely different algorithms.


    And the last tme you used PS was?
    I haven't used the Gimp, so I can't comment.
     
    PeterN, Apr 8, 2014
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  15. Jeffery Small

    Guest Guest

    then you think wrong.
     
    Guest, Apr 8, 2014
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  16. Jeffery Small

    Guest Guest

    in finder.
    finder is part of the operating system. it's always running. it's 'the
    desktop'. users don't 'run' finder.
    first of all, there are dozens of processes running, without the user
    having to run them manually, including finder. tapping the space bar is
    just another keystroke interpreted by finder. it does not run a second
    app.

    as far as the user is concerned, they click on one or more files, tap
    the space bar and see the contents for nearly any file type. photos are
    shown as photos, movies play in a window, spreadsheets are shown as
    spreadsheets, etc.

    not only that but users can even create a quick slide show or a contact
    sheet with multiple images, with nothing more than tapping the space
    bar and clicking on a button. this includes raw files, by the way.

    there's also a plug-in architecture for non-standard file types, and
    many companies provide quick look plug-ins for their custom file
    formats. they're easy to write too. all you need is the file format (or
    if it's not documented, figure out enough of it to show something).
     
    Guest, Apr 8, 2014
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  17. Jeffery Small

    Guest Guest

    keep in mind floyd has never used photoshop (and readily admits it).
    he hasn't.
     
    Guest, Apr 8, 2014
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  18. That is irrelevant. The last time I had in depth discussions about
    sharpening with someone who know what that means and uses PS was about
    two months ago.
    But do you know the difference between UnSharpMask, High Pass,
    and Deconvolutional sharpening? That's what counts, not using
    GIMP or PS.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Apr 8, 2014
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  19. According to nospam.
    According to nospam.

    All of which is a Non Sequitur to avoid depth of discussion.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Apr 8, 2014
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  20. Jeffery Small

    Guest Guest

    it's very relevant.

    it's clear you haven't used photoshop and don't know what it can and
    cannot do.
     
    Guest, Apr 8, 2014
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