Anyone notice older DVD-R's just stopped working?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Richard Ragon, Sep 9, 2005.

  1. I've got an older Dual PPC Apple G4 in my residence. It came with a
    Pioneer apple version of the A04 (x2 speed) DVD-R writer.

    Not a speed daemon, and I've been pondering replacing it, but it just
    kept working so I didn't screw with it.

    Some time about 1-2 weeks ago, it just stopped working.. Reads but wont
    write to CD or a DVD-R.

    I just figure it was old, but I have 4 friends that casually mentioned
    to me that their Pioneer drives went out too.. Thought this was odd,
    but I have to wonder.. Does the firmware have an expiration date?

    Anyone in this group have one of the first DVD-R writers Pioneer A04 or
    A05's (was like 300 bucks when I bought one in 2000). I replaced it
    with a Pioneer A110, and it works with Toast, but not with DVDSP 2.0??
    I'll have to figure this one out now too.

    -Richard
     
    Richard Ragon, Sep 9, 2005
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    Jeff G Guest

    I learned the hard way, stay at least 10 feet away from Pioneer
    writers. They run way too hot, are not adequately cooled, and
    the eventual result is dead hardware.
     
    Jeff G, Sep 9, 2005
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    NBK Guest

    My Pioneer DVR-A04 is still working so far.
    NBK
     
    NBK, Sep 9, 2005
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    Smarty Guest

    I have a Pioneer A03, A04, A05, and A08. The A03 and all the others continue
    to work fine. I've made at least a thousand disks with the A03.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Sep 9, 2005
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    Mike S. Guest

    My A07 is still going strong, but there definitely seems to be "something"
    with Pioneer burners unexpectedly dying - often with low hours of use.
    Sure, there are plenty of them out there still crankin' them out after
    thousands of discs. But I see a noticeable number of complaints on the
    newsgroups and web-based boards (like CDFreaks) about Pioneer burners
    suddenly crapping out. More so than, say, Plextor, NEC, Lite-On, or Sony.
     
    Mike S., Sep 11, 2005
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    Peter Guest

    LiteOn has aquired the same dismal reputation for durability
    as Pioneer, even though their burners don't have the same
    heat-related problems. Current best bets for writers are
    BenQ, Plextor (their newest model is a rebadged BenQ)
    or NEC, in that order.
     
    Peter, Sep 11, 2005
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  7. There is no "expiry date" on the firmware, but it's not unheard of for one
    of the optical pickups to finally wear out or die for some other reason. At
    this point, you were correct to get a new drive.

    I am not sure why the A10 does not work with DVDSP 2.0.

    @newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:

    (snip.)
     
    Jucius Maximus, Sep 11, 2005
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    AnthonyR Guest

    Mike,
    It is possible that this is just because there were so many more Pioneer
    drives sold and out there being used early and so theat's why so many
    complaints were seen.
    I suspect when the other brands have sold as many as Pioneer then the
    complaints will even out.
    Lasers burn out, it happens, but at less than $50 for a replacement drive,
    when they use to be more than $300, who cares. Right?

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Sep 11, 2005
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    Jona Vark Guest

    Richard.. did you do the Apple firmware update for that drive ?
     
    Jona Vark, Sep 11, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    We may sometimes forget that many of the parts, we expect
    to work perfectly - forever, are only the ones, that seemed to
    work at the manufacturer, so it got put in a "good" bin. Some
    number of it's brother parts went into the recycle bin.

    Even those in the "good" bins may have been selected for a
    life of lessor opportunity to perform, than other more highly
    considered parts, even though they were all supposed to be
    "created equal". (This sad result is in fact the fate for most
    parts, unless the activists called "Overclockers" step in and
    help the part "Be all it can be".)

    While there are many parts running in our equipment that
    may wish for an opportunity to do more than they are called
    on to do, there are sometimes a few who are struggling to
    just keep up, to withstand the harsh working conditions, to
    overcome minor undetected flaws. Tragically, the constant
    attempt to keep up, the occasional power fluctuations even
    the feared spike, the constant oppressive heat and minimal
    ventilation, can all be too much for some parts. Some
    last for a surprising amount of time before something inside
    them just gives out.

    There are times when a failed part can be replaced, but
    with modern manufacturing economics, it is most often
    the entire piece of equipment is discarded, thrown out, put
    on the thrash pile. How harsh is fate to the majority of parts
    who were doing their jobs well and were brought down by
    the misperformance of a single "bad" part.

    You might think that we can avoid such tragic outcomes by
    obtaining our equipment only from those manufactures who
    use the best of parts. While this can often reduce the
    likelihood of these disasters; the occasional flawed part will
    slip through, even the tightest screening.

    And then there is the fact that parts of proven worth cost
    more, so equipment built of them also costs more. Equipment
    made to the specific exacting requirements of industrial or
    professional standards and specifications, may cost hundreds
    or even thousands of times more than a consumer grade
    counterpart. (Especially if made to Government/Military
    Standards)

    So the bottom line is; "You buy your equipment and takes your
    chances".

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Sep 12, 2005
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  11. No. How does one go about doing that.

    UPDATE: After updating to Tiger OS, the drive now works in Toast 6, and
    DVDSP 3. Although NOT all that great. The speed selection lets me to
    choose x16 speed, thus resulting in a wasted disc with an Error. I have
    to manually set it to x8 or less so it doesn't waste disc.

    Next I'll be updating it to Toast 7, and DVDSP 4, which should nail down
    the problems..

    I'm going to just assume that since the DVD writer is so new, drivers
    aren't available on the mac yet, but will be supporting that drive in
    the future.

    Not a problem I guess.. As I just have hardware that's "too new".

    -Richard
     
    Richard Ragon, Sep 18, 2005
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    sgordon Guest

    My A04 is still working. There, I've jinxed it.

    Scott
     
    sgordon, Sep 19, 2005
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    Tommy Guest

    80% of burners in use are Pioneer.
    So obviously, there are going to be more going out.
     
    Tommy, Oct 2, 2005
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    Tommy Guest

    80% of burners in use are Pioneer.
    So obviously, there are going to be more going out.
     
    Tommy, Oct 2, 2005
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    Tommy Guest

    80% of burners in use are Pioneer.
    So obviously, there are going to be more going out.
     
    Tommy, Oct 2, 2005
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