Apple is purchasing Twitter analytics firm

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by PeterN, Dec 3, 2013.

  1. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    PeterN, Dec 3, 2013
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  2. PeterN

    Guest Guest

    everything posted publicly can be. you should know that.

    how do you think google makes its money? by analyzing everything you
    do, whether it's searches, what you send and receive in gmail and quite
    a bit more.
    what's to guess? google groups is part of google. it's analyzed.
    every item of mail is photographed.
    Guest, Dec 3, 2013
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  3. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    I did not post through Google Groups

    PeterN, Dec 3, 2013
  4. PeterN

    Guest Guest

    you don't have to post through google.

    google gets the feed, analyzes it and archives it. they also track what
    people search for in google groups.

    anything posted in the public domain can, and almost always will be
    data mined. there's big money in it, although usenet is probably not
    among the chart toppers.
    not wrong at all.

    you really haven't a clue, do you?
    Guest, Dec 3, 2013
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    PeterN Guest




    Cut your bullshit.
    PeterN, Dec 3, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    i never said they opened anything.

    not only do you not have a clue, but you have reading comprehension
    problems too.

    i said:
    and they do.


    U.S. Postal Service Logging All Mail for Law Enforcement

    A high-tech computer system that captures images of  ³every mail
    piece that is processed² by the United State Postal Service was
    critical in helping federal agents track the Texas woman arrested
    today for allegedly sending ricin-tainted letters to President Barack
    Obama and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

    Mail Isolation Control and Tracking (MICT) is an imaging system
    employed by the United States Postal Service (USPS) that takes
    photographs of the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is
    processed in the United States. The Postmaster General has stated
    that the system is primarily used for mail sorting, though it also
    enables the USPS to retroactively track mail correspondence at the
    request of law enforcement. It was created in the aftermath of the
    2001 anthrax attacks that killed five people, including two postal
    workers. The automated mail tracking program was created so that the
    Postal Service could more easily track hazardous substances and keep
    people safe, according to U.S. Postmaster General Patrick R. Donahoe.
    Guest, Dec 4, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    The term "Every item" in ordinary English includes the content. I have
    no patience for you shit right now.
    PeterN, Dec 4, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Common sense: one assumes an "item of mail" as far as the posties are
    concerned is a deliverable unit. An envelope, a package. The contents
    are out of their view. The "from" / "to" info, however would be very
    useful to an agency such as the NSA.
    Alan Browne, Dec 4, 2013
  9. PeterN

    Guest Guest

    no it doesn't.

    if someone takes pictures of buildings, they are taking photos of the
    exteriors, not the interiors ('contents'). no permission is needed.

    same for anything else, including mail.

    plus, anyone who knew about this would have known exactly what i was
    talking about.
    because you can't admit you didn't know.
    Guest, Dec 4, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    Sandman, Dec 4, 2013
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    Mayayana Guest

    | > I did not post through Google Groups

    It doesn't really matter. It's all publicly available,
    several companies republish postings, and search
    engines crawl it. Newsgroup postings are public,
    regardless of what host they're posted through.

    Are Twitter posts crawled? I don't know. I've
    never seen a Twitter link show up in search results.
    But the mentioned company is doing it somehow.
    I expect the same is probably true with Facebook:
    It's not publicly searchable. It's essentially a private
    network. But there are probably companies that
    search it and sell the data. If I were on Facebook
    I'd assume that they were even selling out my allegedly
    private postings to data collection agencies they
    cooperate with. (They're certainly using the "private"
    postings for targetted ads.)

    It's become almost a tradition with these companies
    to have no honor. Google, Apple, Facebook, Yahoo,
    Microsoft -- they all call their customers "users" and
    exploit them shamelessly, as though morals don't apply
    in the "digital age". (It first struck me how far this
    pathology had gone when I saw a quote from Cheryl
    Sandberg of Facebook, characterizing their service as
    a warm and fuzzy social connector that enables "genuine,
    personal relationships" between "brands" and their customers.
    She was defining breach of privacy for targetted ads as
    an improvement of peoples' social lives, performed
    benevolently by Facebook in their quest to help humanity!)

    The idea with Twitter search here seems to be that
    Apple would be able to get a personalized sense of
    *current* interests and current popular fads, in order
    to improve the relevance of their own targetted ads,
    search and "infotainment" nonsense like Siri. They want
    their AppleSeeds to keep sucking on their iPacifiers
    and to keep buying stuff through iChannels.

    On the other hand, anyone carrying around a cellphone
    tracking collar that they use to post personal thoughts
    and activity updates to the likes of Twitter probably has
    no real concept of privacy. For them the world is a
    big shopping mall, Twitter is entertainment and
    self-expression, and Apple is a desire-fulfillment service.
    The same goes for Facebook, Google services, etc. Their
    customers don't care about privacy, are not bothered by
    targetted ads, don't care about vendor lock-in, and *want*
    to be told about new fads and new things to buy. They
    don't want to look too closely at the Steve Jobses and Cheryl
    Sandbergs who serve them product. The only *bad* things
    in their minds are boredom and inconvenience.

    To warn such people about privacy intrusion....
    One might just as well argue with nospam. :)
    Mayayana, Dec 4, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    there is no argument with the above from me. Several years ago I wanted
    to use Google Maps to locate a restaurant. When I said I did not want to
    share my current location with Google, the application did not work.
    Sadly people don't seem co care about a loss of privacy. I was on a
    train, where a young woman on a cell phone was going into details about
    her last date, as if she was locked in her bedroom. She eventually
    looked up, saw folks laughing, turned beet red, and gaave a "why were
    you eavesdropping" look to people on the train.
    PeterN, Dec 4, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    pick a different app, one that doesn't require location. the choice is

    keep in mind that knowing your location helps produce better results.

    otherwise, how would it know that you want a restaurant in new york,
    versus something in los angeles or london? without knowing your
    location, it *can't*.

    you could search for 'restaurants in new york' but then it knows your

    nevertheless, the choice is up to the you.
    some do, while some prefer getting the results they need, which means
    they need to provide location information.

    that's why there's a choice to allow or disallow location information.

    and apparently, you aren't all that interested in privacy, otherwise
    why did you mention that you live in new york on more than one

    plus, your ip address indicates your location anyway and depending on
    the isp quite possibly fairly accurately.
    that's just stupidity.
    Guest, Dec 4, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    No shit Dick Tracy. I did not mention the situation as one that could
    not be easily solved. Besides, all mapping programs for the iPhone do
    the same.
    If I wanted to live in complete privacy I would live in a cave. Again
    you miss the point, and come on like an aggressive storm trooper.

    Were you abused as a child.
    PeterN, Dec 4, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    you made it seem like a big deal, neglecting to mention that it was
    easily solved.
    Guest, Dec 4, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Then there was the old Wayne & Schuster line from their "Frontier
    Psychiatrist" sketch; "When did you discover you hated your horse?"
    Savageduck, Dec 4, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Loss of privacy is not easily solved.

    Can you name an iPhone app that doesn't retain your current location.
    PeterN, Dec 4, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    the majority of them, including the one i'm working on. there's no
    point in retaining the current location because it continually changes.
    that's why it's called *current* location.

    if an app needs to know where you are, it will request your location,
    assuming you give it permission to do so. the location is not
    necessarily exact either. it depends on the app. it can be, but it
    might just be a general area.

    a weather app only needs to know what city you're in. on the other
    hand, a navigation app would need to know your exact location,
    otherwise, it won't be able to tell you when to turn.

    it's very rare that the app would save the location, since the next
    time it won't be the same. what would be the point?

    some apps, such as weather, can save multiple cities, but those are
    whatever you want and unrelated to where you actually are. they might
    be on the other side of the planet.
    Guest, Dec 4, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    continue to have (something); keep possession of:

    Makes it sound like it's ok to get the location once, as long as it doesn't
    retain it.

    Either way, there are several navigation apps that will use your current
    location, but are offline apps, meaning that all map data is in the app and
    it doesn't send your location over the network.

    TomTom is one I use, which is an offline mapping app, great one too.
    Sandman, Dec 4, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    he asked if it retained your current location, not what it did with it.

    there's no point in retaining your current location because in a short
    time (possibly as quick as a few seconds for a navigation app), it will
    be invalid, and it will need to request it again.
    Guest, Dec 4, 2013
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