Are EliteChrome 200 and Ektachrome 200 really the same film?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Alan Browne, Jul 30, 2003.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    I downloaded the tech pubs for the two films mentioned.

    Comparing the various characteristics of both (spectral response, MTF,
    dye densities, granularity, etc.) they appear to be the same film under
    different marketing channels (Pro/Consum.) (much like Astia and Sensia II).

    Even the artwork references (file names) on the data sheets bear the
    same names.

    Any comments?

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 30, 2003
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  2. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    I know *that* (see my ref to Astia and Sensia and Pro/Consum marketing),
    I just want to know if the two Kodak films are, in fact, the same. The
    film codes for Astia and Sensia are RAP and RA (eg: RA-Pro and
    RA-consumer). The codes for the K-c and E-c are ED and E200.

    In the end I want to push the film, and the Elitechrome datasheet has no
    information on pushing, where the Ektachrome does. If they are the
    same, then the push recomendation for the Ekta will work for the Elite.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 30, 2003
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    I tried the Elite Chrome 200, thinking it was a cheaper E200. Actually, the
    response is more like the older professional Ektachrome 200, also known as
    EPD, and if I remember correctly had that code on the film, though I do not
    remember it being available in other than 120 roll film. The code on Elite
    Chrome 200 should be ED. Anyway, for some reason the push 3 results with Elite
    Chrome did not match the E200 under my tests. It may have been as simple as
    the difference in storage prior to purchase.

    A similar example is Elite Chrome Extra Colour 100 is basically E100S, just
    with a different ageing for the shelf life. With the demise of E100S, it might
    be the only choice like that. I do not think E100G is the same.

    In general, if you only pushed one stop (sometimes two), almost any E-6 film
    will work fine. However, using an old film long on the shelf, or a film near
    expiration (or past), might yield poor results with push processing beyond two
    stops. The safe bet is to use the pro film out of the refrigerator soon after
    you get it.

    If you just want to experiment, give the cheaper film a try. It did not work
    for me, but I have no way of knowing how long that film was on the shelf. When
    I get it out of the fridge, doubt is minimized for me.

    I should have mentioned that AGFA RSX 200 is another push process option. I
    can only get this now by mail order, so it is not a good option for me. It
    should handle up to four stops with about one stop compensation at the far
    push.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    Alliance Graphique Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com>
     
    Gordon Moat, Jul 30, 2003
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    Lisa Horton Guest

    Respectfully Gordon, I believe that Elite Chrome Extra Color 100 is
    actually the same as E100VS rather than E100S. I use the two almost
    interchangeably, and the results do appear pretty much identical.

    Lisa
     
    Lisa Horton, Jul 30, 2003
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  5. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Thanks Gordon (and Lisa for extended remarks).

    I asked, 'cause the nearest store stocks EliteChrome, but I'd have to
    have them order E200 ... 1 week before they get it... They store the
    Elite Chrome on the shelf, but I believe their stocks are pretty fresh.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 31, 2003
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    Thanks Lisa. I am fairly certain your assessment is correct. I rarely use
    alternatives, so my memory was off on that one.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    Alliance Graphique Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com>
     
    Gordon Moat, Jul 31, 2003
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  7. Alan Browne

    Gordon Moat Guest

    I have a local store that stocks lots of this in their refrigerator. However, I use
    so much of this E200, that I usually order the Import version through B&H. About my
    only shelf film choices are usually the department stores, or Ritz, for the
    EliteChrome.

    Bad past experience pushes me away from on the shelf films. Since I pass my film
    cost on to each client, it is better for me to be safe and sure with the actual
    item, rather than a substitute. However, I encourage you to try out Elite Chrome
    200, and see what happens. Depending upon where you get it, sometimes E200 is not
    convenient, nor inexpensive.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    Alliance Graphique Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com>
     
    Gordon Moat, Jul 31, 2003
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  8. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Alan posted the subject name properly here (and before it was posted on
    films+labs, I might add).

    I'd like to know why you've singled me out for attack, Polyhoax.

    WHO are you, really?

    WHERE is YOUR photography?

    Again, you are simply an annonymous and cowardly troll.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 4, 2003
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  9. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest


    All I asked was for you to show me your superior results. If that's an
    "attack" on you I suggest you consult a psychiatrist shortly.
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 4, 2003
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