Are we demanding too much of our digital cameras these days?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by aniramca, Oct 14, 2007.

  1. Once upon a time in Northern Minnesota, I saw a bill board that
    proclaimed: "Drink Canada Dry!" so I drove across the border, but after
    five years, I realized I hadn't even made a dent in the supplies.
     
    John McWilliams, Oct 15, 2007
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  2. Now, I'm an Irishman, and you're definitely talking my language now.
     
    \(not quite so\) Fat Sam, Oct 15, 2007
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  3. aniramca

    Kinon O'Cann Guest

    Pretty funny; people ask my advice about which camera to buy all the time.
    Only once did I reccomend an SLR. Most of the time, it's P&S since I know
    that person will never want to post process.

    And they always love the camera.
     
    Kinon O'Cann, Oct 16, 2007
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  4. aniramca

    acro-caster Guest

    That's the problem with DSLR owners ... their own doubts on if they bought the
    right camera or not propel them to try to convince others to buy the same
    cameras. If they can convince others to buy one then it's easier for them to
    believe that they made the right choice. They're also the ones that will cite
    sales-reports and desperately try to find "majority rules" news. These
    newsgroups are crawling with people doubting if they invested in the right
    camera or not. Invariably it's those that spent the most money who are always in
    the most doubt, frantically trying to justify the cost to appease their own
    minds, always trying to convince others to join them. Prove them wrong and they
    scream bloody murder. Doing so destroys all their delusional beliefs that
    they've painstakingly designed for themselves. It's bad enough if they can't get
    someone to join them in their delusions, but to actually be proved wrong too?
    That's grounds for a psychotic melt-down.
     
    acro-caster, Oct 16, 2007
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  5. QUICK: A bird suddenly takes off from its nest, accelerating
    straight at you! You have about 1 second to point your camera
    and compose, determine exposure, focus, and predict focus for
    the time the shutter actually fires, and take the picture
    when the bird is large in the frame and having a nice pose.
    If you wait more than about a second, you miss the shot.

    http://www.clarkvision.com/galleries/gallery.bird/web/c01.14.2003.img_5113.egret-flight.f-600.html

    Your rant misses the fact that different tools are needed for
    different jobs. Your box camera would be a poor substitute
    for fast action predictive autofocus cameras. Tools enable
    the desired results, whether artist, craftsman, or technogeek.

    Roger
     
    Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark), Oct 16, 2007
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  6. Of course most people with half a brain know that different
    tools are needed for different jobs and that no one
    tool is so good it can do everything. And those with
    more than half a brain usually can earn enough money
    to acquire more than one tool. ;-)

    Roger
     
    Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark), Oct 16, 2007
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  7. aniramca

    Scott W Guest

    But then there are people like me, I bought my wife a DSLR (a 20D)
    because she was just not getting along with the P&S she had. She had
    spent a number of years shooting a film SLR and the P&S just was not
    cutting it. She also liked to shoot indoors and the P&S was pretty bad
    for that. I on the other hand kept shooting mostly with my F828, using
    her camera from time to time when I really wanted to get better photos.
    The more I used the DSLR the more I liked it and the less I liked the
    P&S I was using, so now we are a 2 DSLR family, of course we have point
    and shoots for when they work better. I know full well what a DSLR
    gives me and I know what I can get off of a P&S. And it is not just
    about the quality of the photo, a good P&S can under the right
    conditions take very high quality photos. But I am rarely shooting in
    conditions where a P&S can get really good photos.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Oct 16, 2007
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  8. aniramca

    X-Man Mk II Guest

    Oh, you mean like this one taken under an overcast sky before sunset, deep in
    the Everglades swamps, with a zoom lens at 360mm f.l.? Taken with a HAND HELD
    P&S camera? The bird filling up the whole frame? Spotted, composed, and shot
    before the chance was missed?

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2028/1583977610_12254e5cb5_o.jpg

    Like that?

    You must mean another kind I guess. Only YOUR kind of camera can take those
    kinds of photos.



    What a fuckin' fool. Still trying to delude himself into justifying why he
    wasted all that money on a DSLR with L-glass that can't beat any of the popular
    P&S cameras.

    YOU AND YOUR CAMERA ARE A FUCKIN' JOKE, ROGER!!

    The only one that doesn't realize it is ------------------- YOU!

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    X-Man Mk II, Oct 16, 2007
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  9. Nice job: overexposed, blurry, cluttered background,
    with sticks coming out of the bird's head.
    The depth of field is so large it looks like you cut this
    out of a larger image from an image taken at a shorter
    focal length.

    Try again. You anger illustrates your frustration with your camera!

    More examples:

    http://www.clarkvision.com/galleries/gallery.bird/web/eagle.c01.18.2007.JZ3F7355b-700.html

    http://www.clarkvision.com/galleries/gallery.bird/web/eagle.c09.11.2004.JZ3F4717.b-700.html

    Roger
     
    Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark), Oct 16, 2007
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  10. aniramca

    X-Man Mk II Guest

    <Roger's relentless and pathetic SPAM LINKS SNIPPED>

    What? And show everyone just how crappy your photography truly is? Then not even
    the idiots that buy from you now would bother. You know that I don't post my
    good photography to the net. Just a sample to prove that you are 100% wrong. Are
    you just this fuckin' daft to not realize that? (or course you are) Let's put it
    this way, you can't even afford to LOOK at my better photography, let alone own
    a print from it. You'd have to sell your house and cars and land for that. Keep
    that piece of shit camera, it's nothing I'd ever want.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Slam and dunk! The fool with the DSLR was proven wrong AGAIN!

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    X-Man Mk II, Oct 16, 2007
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  11. You really need to get some help.
    Your continued refusal to show an actual example proving
    your point shows how fictitious it is. The only thing
    you've proven is how angry and foul mouthed you are.
    You'll never win, nor get ahead with your tactic.

    For those who would like to see more of my "crappy" photos,
    they can be found at:
    http://www.clarkvision.com/galleries

    Please everyone, let's all show X-man our "crappy" photos.
    Post your links here.

    Roger
     
    Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark), Oct 16, 2007
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  12. You really are a prat and likely you've never taken a decent photo in
    your life. Whatever equipment you use, now back under your bridge.
     
    Craig Oldfield, Oct 16, 2007
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  13. aniramca

    Ron Hunter Guest

    Well, you could ride a bicycle to the top of Pikes Peak, or drive a
    Lexus up there, and either way, you would reach the top, but I would
    MUCH rather travel there in the Lexus! While it isn't the tech that
    determines the artistic value of a photograph, it does contribute much
    to the process, and makes life much simpler for the photographer. Some
    people would enjoy the bicycle trip more, others the ride in the Lexus.
    I am somewhat disabled, so the Lexus would be my route, even though I
    can still ride a bicycle, just as I can still use a light meter, set
    shutter speeds, and aperture, and change film (If I wanted to), but as I
    get older, those things don't fascinate me any more, and I love the
    results I get the easy way.
     
    Ron Hunter, Oct 16, 2007
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  14. aniramca

    Ron Hunter Guest

    Not likely. We really couldn't go back, unless, of course, you want to
    volunteer to take the population back to 1950's levels, but 'checking out'.
     
    Ron Hunter, Oct 16, 2007
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  15. aniramca

    Ron Hunter Guest

    Humm. Fix one girl, and take 100 photos, or fix 100 photos.... Let me
    think....
     
    Ron Hunter, Oct 16, 2007
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  16. aniramca

    X-Man MkII Guest

    LOL!!!

    This is too fucking funny. The ONLY ones that didn't see your reply are the ones
    you removed it from. It didnt' change a thing about mine.

    Here, let me correct your outrageous stupidity.

    There, now everyone can see how amazingly stupid you are.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    X-Man MkII, Oct 16, 2007
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  17. aniramca

    HEMI-Powered Guest

    acro-caster added these comments in the current discussion du
    jour ...
    I "fought" strong recommendations to go to a DSLR for a couple of
    years, finally I "succumbed" and bought a Canon Rebel XT, a Canon
    external flash, some Canon and other zoom glass, etc. I hav not
    been disappointed except for it having more noise than I
    expected. However, if I put on the bigger Canon L-glass zoom,
    which weighs in at over 2 pounds by itself, the flash, and even a
    smallish/lighter body than a Nikon D70s, I am toting around
    hearly 5 pounds, which is very tiring on my left arm that has to
    hold up all that weight. Results are great, it is just big and
    heavy. So, for all the folk who don't want a huge, heavy, and
    expensive camera and just want some reasonably good 4 x 6 Meijer
    prints plus maybe stick the little P & S in their pocket, I
    recommend that. Or, if they want more features, have a somewhat
    larger budget, and can stand a bigger camera, I recommend an EVF.
    Depending on who asked for what and for what purpose, they are
    pretty much happy campers.

    The people that are the most UNhappy, a rarity for my circle of
    acquaintences, is when they allow someone - anyone - to con them
    into more camera than they really want, and push them hard to
    post-process. This brand of unhappy people are also too big
    believers of tests they read in Popular Photography. So, to each
    his/her own, I say.
     
    HEMI-Powered, Oct 16, 2007
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  18. aniramca

    HEMI-Powered Guest

    Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) added these comments
    in the current discussion du jour ...
    I obviously agree with this statement, Roger. In this NG and the
    SLR NG, the population is much more tilted toward more expensive,
    more post-processing, more mega pixels, and DSLRs. That's OK if
    everyone remembers your advice herein, but they don't always. That
    IS Okey, Dokey with me so long as no one suggests that someone who
    believes in less is somehow not a "real" photographer. Again, to
    each their own.
     
    HEMI-Powered, Oct 16, 2007
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  19. aniramca

    Chris Guest

    I have been reading this newsgroup for a couple of weeks and find the
    arguing and bickering entertaining - at times. I had to post a simple
    message and tell you that this is *right-on-the-money*. The right tool for
    the right job, and most people that are serious about what they are doing
    usually have more than one tool. And, this is not just limited to
    photography!!

    Chris
     
    Chris, Oct 16, 2007
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  20. aniramca

    George Kerby Guest

    No. YOU are the one with the fucked up view of the world. That shitty shot
    is so fuckin' BUSY with twigs, branches and whatever shit you have in the
    background that it makes it difficult to tell what is animal or vegetable.

    That is one of the poorest example of avian photography I have EVER seen.
    Only a child, or a child-like mind would be proud of such crap.

    Get a REAL camera and get a LIFE, Buck-o!
     
    George Kerby, Oct 16, 2007
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