Are you a great photographer?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Mike, May 11, 2004.

  1. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Pro photographers are needed to add to the ever-growing collection of
    stock photos. Over 20000 photos online, over 1500 members from all over
    the world. Sell your digital photos at http://www.shutterpoint.com
     
    Mike, May 11, 2004
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  2. Mike

    Minolta Man Guest

    OK everybody fork over your best photos so these people can steal
    them..

    Just another internet scam..


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    Minolta Man, May 11, 2004
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  3. And if you have proof of this, we would all be glad to see it. If you don`t,
    find someone else to pick on.

    Ståle
     
    Ståle Edstrøm, May 11, 2004
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  4. Mike

    Minolta Man Guest

    Have you ever bothered to read their disclaimers? They usually state
    you turn over copyright to them.

    Afterall they are a stock agency who sells these submitted photos..

    As for proof... read the disclaimers...


    Colyn Goodson

    http://home.swbell.net/colyng

    Camera manuals and mercury battery fix
    http://www.colyngoodson.com

    Weston Ranger 9 battery fix
    http://www.colyngoodson.com/weston.html
     
    Minolta Man, May 12, 2004
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  5. Yes, they sell the pictures...After all they act like a agent for you. And,
    yes, you have to let them handle the copyright. But there is not statet
    anywhere that you give them the copyright, but you let them sell your
    picture.

    Try to find a agent that doesn`t do it that way. Try to find an agent that
    don`t want you to send them the pictures. If you find it, try to find out if
    they sell any images.

    Ståle
     
    Ståle Edstrøm, May 12, 2004
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  6. Mike

    Minolta Man Guest

    For the record

    I spent over 20 years in the business of freelance shooter and I know
    from experience you can sell one or more time usage rights outright
    without giving up any of your rights to copyright..

    When going through an agency you get between 2% and 15% of sales. They
    get the rest and can resell usage rights without compensating you.

    In other words they own your photos and can screw you out of possibly
    thousands of dollars..

    While in the business I negotiated directly with the customer and got
    far more per photo than had I gone through a ripoff agency..


    Colyn Goodson

    http://home.swbell.net/colyng

    Camera manuals and mercury battery fix
    http://www.colyngoodson.com

    Weston Ranger 9 battery fix
    http://www.colyngoodson.com/weston.html
     
    Minolta Man, May 12, 2004
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  7. I have to agree with you there, but what can I do, when I live in little
    Norway to find costumer in the US and other large markeds?

    Ståle
     
    Ståle Edstrøm, May 13, 2004
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  8. Mike

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Cripes, who was your agent, Satan himself? ;) I'm just starting in the
    stock photog business myself, so maybe I'm in for a rude surprise, but the
    research I've done so far indicates, well, basically exactly the opposite of
    everything you just said. The photographer retains copyright and reaps
    royalties from every copy of his picture that sells. The percentage you
    give is more like what the agency gets, and the photographer gets most of
    the profit (after all, he took the picture and owns the copyright).

    Do I have this all wrong? Because if it's as you say, I can't imagine why
    any photographer would work with a stock agency in the first place, no
    matter how many of your pictures they sold.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, May 13, 2004
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  9. Mike

    Minolta Man Guest

    Un fortuneatly your options are somewhat limited.

    The only advice I can give is if you choose to use a stock agency, get
    everything in writing so they won't be able to use any of your work
    without your direct permission..


    Colyn Goodson

    http://home.swbell.net/colyng

    Camera manuals and mercury battery fix
    http://www.colyngoodson.com

    Weston Ranger 9 battery fix
    http://www.colyngoodson.com/weston.html
     
    Minolta Man, May 14, 2004
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  10. Mike

    Minolta Man Guest

    I got my start as a Navy photog in Vietnam and later went into
    freelance reportage..

    After leaving the job I sent a number of pics to an agency and a few
    years later found some on a couple of so called royalty-free photo
    CD,s

    I was never notified by the agency that they had sold these photos to
    various companys supplying royalty-free photos..

    Ihad to sue to get compensation..
    Actually I was quoted a percentage of 8% for my work..

    Remember stock agencies are in the business of making money. They
    don't give a rats ass if you make any..


    Colyn Goodson

    http://home.swbell.net/colyng

    Camera manuals and mercury battery fix
    http://www.colyngoodson.com

    Weston Ranger 9 battery fix
    http://www.colyngoodson.com/weston.html
     
    Minolta Man, May 14, 2004
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  11. Mike

    Mike Kohary Guest

    I guess there are a large variety of stock agencies out there, and of course
    as with any other large selection of possibilities, some are more scrupulous
    than others. Sounds like you got hooked in with a bad one, because that's
    definitely not how it's supposed to work. I guess when I come around to
    soliciting my material, I'll be careful who I deal with and what I sign. :)
    I'm in this business to make money too, and a smart business relationship
    will realize that it's to our collective mutual benefit to do what's best
    for each other. Again, I guess that means being careful who you work with.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, May 16, 2004
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