Argh!!! Kodak software crap!!!

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by pjp, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. pjp

    pjp Guest

    Bought Kodak camera for daughter for Xmas. I expected under 98SE etc. to
    have to install a driver to offload pictures but why why why does any driver
    need to be installed for XP?

    Kodak why couldn't you just have it like almost every other USB device under
    XP, e.g. no driver required but instead it's just seen a a Mass Storage
    Device (removable drive). That's how my other two digital cameras work and
    every mp3 player I've thrown at it so far.

    Christ I hate it when companies do that kind of crap as invariably it's got
    nothing to do with their customers but everything to do with them trying to
    shove some extra design bs down one's throat!!!!

    Means can't just take the camera to any pc running XP without also having to
    install some software first. Can do that with my other cameras, mp3 players
    etc.

    KODAK THAT IS POOR DESIGN and certainly not in your customers best interest.
    Fucking idiots!!!
     
    pjp, Jan 11, 2007
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    Bert Hyman Guest

    [email protected]_hotmail_._com (pjp) wrote in
    Heck; if you install Canon's software suite, you get a WINDOWS
    SERVICE that has to be running in order to download stuff from the
    camera.
     
    Bert Hyman, Jan 11, 2007
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    jeremy Guest

    Awww. Poor baby.
     
    jeremy, Jan 11, 2007
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    ray Guest

    I recently purchased a Kodak P850 and printer dock. I had absolutely no
    problem with drivers - simply plugged them in and they worked - but then
    I'm running Linux.
     
    ray, Jan 11, 2007
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    Dave Cohen Guest

    You are not required to install any software at all for Canon camera
    running winxp. If you do install their supplied software (I don't), it
    will not inhibit your choices.
    Since I don't own a Kodak camera I can't make a definitive statement on
    their behavior, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if same were true for
    those also.
    Dave Cohen
     
    Dave Cohen, Jan 11, 2007
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    Cgiorgio Guest

    I do not know about your specific Kodak camera (you did not mention the
    model), but most newer models are recognized as a mass storage device by
    Windows XP when you ignore the advice in the manual to install the Kodak
    software before you connect it. I think in some cameras there is also a menu
    selection for achieving this. If you remove the Easy Share software you
    might just see the camera as a mass storage device in XP explorer. Otherwise
    I agree that the software is pretty pointless.
     
    Cgiorgio, Jan 11, 2007
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    pjp Guest

    Whether a camera supports Pictbridge or not doesn't mean that it shouldn't
    be seen as a Mass Storage Devivce when connected to a XP pc without any
    software. As stated before, my other cameras do along with mp3 players etc.
    The fact Kodak doesn't means (again as stated earlier) that one can't simply
    go to anyone's XP pc to offload images but must also first install at least
    the driver. Therefore vacationing at friends (or whatever) means I must also
    drag along a cd and install software on my "friends" pc they may not want
    installed on their pc especially as it's not required after I leave with the
    camera.

    BTW - I always get bent out of shape when companies choose to implement
    features in a manner that's "proprietary" or in some non-standard "why'd
    they even do that" way.
     
    pjp, Jan 12, 2007
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    pjp Guest

    Then include the card reader with the camera & btw the card reader should
    also not need any driver but simply be seen as a Mass Storage Device
    removable disk drive.
     
    pjp, Jan 12, 2007
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    pjp Guest

    I seldom have any interest in having shots printed out, for me they stay
    image files. I also see no reason for having a card reader as it seems to me
    1/2 dozen of one sor ix of the other if the USB connector fails or the card
    slot fails from usage.
     
    pjp, Jan 12, 2007
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    pjp Guest

    That's what my rants about. It doesn't but first requires a driver! I don't
    believe it should.
     
    pjp, Jan 12, 2007
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    pjp Guest

    Then include the card reader in the package. I'd still rather not have to
    contually insert and remove the card.
     
    pjp, Jan 12, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    So everytime someone buys a new or another camera, they have to pay
    for a new card reader, too?
    I don't think so.
    And, with modern computers, card readers *are* seen as drives without
    any extra drivers.

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    Senate Democrats proposed ethics
    reform legislation on Tuesday.
    It calls for lawmakers to pay the
    real cost of corporate jet flights
    and the full cost of skybox tickets
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    to know ahead of time what's going
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    Bill Funk, Jan 12, 2007
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    ASAAR Guest

    You have an unusual set of friends if they all own computers that
    have CD drives but not card readers. I suppose that they also don't
    own digital cameras. Not that they need to, but did you ever
    consider that when they see you coming they hide their card readers?

    Good for you. Keep on keepin' on, and if polite company isn't too
    easily offended, get bent! :)
     
    ASAAR, Jan 13, 2007
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    Paul Allen Guest

    Several posts have suggested that you check the camera's menus for
    a way to configure the USB connection. For example, my Panasonic
    FZ-30 has a "USB Mode" setting with possible values of "PC" and
    "PictBridge". In PC mode it will behave like an old slow USB 1.1
    Mass Storage device, requiring no driver with any modern operating
    system. Have you checked to see if you have that option? I'll
    join you in giving Kodak a big raspberry if it turns out they really
    didn't provide a USB mass storage option on your camera.

    Personally, I use a card reader. It's a whole lot faster, and moving
    the card from the camera to the reader is approximately as much effort
    as finding and plugging in the cable.

    I dunno, Ron. Wouldn't it cut down on the noise here if some of the
    hotheads expired early? :)

    Paul Allen
     
    Paul Allen, Jan 13, 2007
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    pjp Guest

    No there appears to be no Mass Storage Device option therefore a driver is
    required even under XP.

    Note people have continually talked about using a card reader. I've always
    known that's an option and in fact have enough devices using various cards
    to justify purchasing one. Speed is not an issue for me, 2 or 10 minutes
    makes little difference in my life :) I also feel it makes little difference
    if it's insert/remove cable or card as there's no guarantee either is more
    robust than the other in the long haul. I prefer to leave the card(s) in the
    unit. I don't "plan" on getting a reader until I have a USB connection
    problem.

    What I do not like is that not being a Mass Storage Device means I can't
    simply throw just the usb cable in the bag with extra batteries etc. but
    must also drag along a disk when visiting friends. I have lots of friends
    with no card reader and no need for one. Not everyone has bought their pc in
    the last couple of years and many need nothing more than simple web
    browsing, email and word processing etc. which even PIII's at 500Mz being
    more than enough in many cases.

    Many of those friends also have older gear still running 98SE. Once Kodak
    mails the 98SE software (thanks Kodak for mailing that free although wionder
    why it's also not included on the cd?) I'll pull off the "inf" and required
    driver files etc. and see if I can create a small self-extracting zip file
    that'll work without all the "Easyshare" stuff. Least then I'll have
    something I can just email to whomever before leaving home.
     
    pjp, Jan 13, 2007
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    pjp Guest

    Well that does make sense if also want to sell printers given the gouging
    being done with the price of ink and the fact I've yet to find an inkjet
    printer that one can use OCCASIONALLY and have it still work without having
    to "at best" waste ink getting it unclogged again.
     
    pjp, Jan 13, 2007
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    ASAAR Guest

    It wasn't *me* discussing Pictbridge. But I think that pjp's rant
    had little to do with Pictbridge anyway. It seems mostly to be a
    complaint that the camera was designed so that it doesn't appear to
    be a standard mass storage device. If Kodak really did that (taking
    a page from Canon) I'd still consider the OP's overreaction and
    would then find it more difficult to criticize Kodak. <g>
     
    ASAAR, Jan 13, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    It seems that you know the best solution to your problem is to get a
    card reader.
    Yet, you continue to ignore that solution, and complain about
    something that you bought, evidently after not having done the
    homework to discover the problem you complain so much about.
    Well, it's your life.

    --
    Senate Democrats proposed ethics
    reform legislation on Tuesday.
    It calls for lawmakers to pay the
    real cost of corporate jet flights
    and the full cost of skybox tickets
    for sporting events. If you want
    to know ahead of time what's going
    to happen to this bill, you simply
    need to watch the last five minutes
    of Old Yeller.
     
    Bill Funk, Jan 13, 2007
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    Paul Allen Guest

    Apparently. Pretty dumb of Kodak to only support connection to a
    computer via the installation of proprietary software when the standard
    method would be so much more convenient for customers. They get a
    big juicy raspberry.
    Yup, but it's pretty futile trying to drag the OP into preferring a
    card reader just by saying how much you prefer it. He's got a
    particular problem in mind: visiting people who have computers without
    card readers and having to install software in order to share his
    images with them. You're not likely to convince him that you're right
    and he's wrong.
    Agreed.

    Paul Allen
     
    Paul Allen, Jan 13, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    I would put the OP's problem a little differently:
    having a camera that isn't seen as a mass storage device, and refusing
    to do the reasonalble thing by buying a card reader qand carrying it
    with him (they simply are not all that bulky),and instead insisting on
    loading software on his friends' computers (something I would not
    allow) instead.
    Right or wrong doesn't really enter into it; instead, it's a case of
    doing what's necessary to solve a problem with as little hassle as
    possible.
    The OP has instead decided to involve *other people* (his 'friends',
    at that) in hassles that he could very easily solve with a simple,
    inexpensive purchase.
    He'd rather complain than solve the problem.

    --
    Senate Democrats proposed ethics
    reform legislation on Tuesday.
    It calls for lawmakers to pay the
    real cost of corporate jet flights
    and the full cost of skybox tickets
    for sporting events. If you want
    to know ahead of time what's going
    to happen to this bill, you simply
    need to watch the last five minutes
    of Old Yeller.
     
    Bill Funk, Jan 14, 2007
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