Arm pain

Discussion in 'Photoshop Tutorials' started by ronviers, Jun 19, 2007.

  1. ronviers

    ronviers Guest

    Hi,
    I get a burning, stinging, tingling, numb sensation in the lower part
    of my right arm, my mouse are, after working more than say twelve or
    fifteen hours. As I get older I get less able to sleep this off. Does
    anyone have any suggestions for how to avoid doing long term damage? I
    can handle the discomfort but if I continue to do nothing it could
    become a real, and by real I mean expensive, problem. I put a cushion
    under my arm, which helped a lot, but I wish there was something else
    I could do.

    Thanks,
    Ron
     
    ronviers, Jun 19, 2007
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  2. Do you have breaks of an hour or so a few times during those long hours? And
    shorter breaks every hour? Your eyes need exercise looking further away than
    the monitor.
    Have you tried using a Wacom tablet instead? I've put a thin board under
    mine which extends over the edge of my desk to support my elbow.
    Remember that the pain is telling you "don't do that!"
    Google for "avoid RSI".

    *Go and see a doctor.*

    HTH

    Andrew
     
    Andrew Morton, Jun 19, 2007
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    Ragnar Guest

    You are in big trouble. See the doctor right away.

    I am not joking. Don't imagine you can sort it out on your own.
     
    Ragnar, Jun 19, 2007
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  4. At Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:07:10 +0000, let h(is|er)
    monkeys type:
    Ron, your message sounds all too familiar. My ex-wife still suffers the
    consequences of severe RSI, at times she can't even hold a cup of coffee.
    She's had a lot of treatment, spent almost a YEAR at home from work, but
    she'll never completely get rid of it. And a friend of mine had to give up
    his job completely resulting from ignored RSI. He can't drive a car
    anymore, to name just one handicap. Please be smart, do not ignore these
    signs.

    From our own experience (but please consult your gp!!!):

    - Screen at the right viewing angles (hor and ver)
    - A proper chair, at the right hight, with a good back support.
    - If necessary, foot support
    - Breaks breaks breaks! Don't wait till it hurts, schedule breaks
    regularly. (There is software out there monitoring your habits and warning
    you when it's time to step away from the keyb)
    - Training using a Powerball might help (google) strengthen muscles
    - Some people benefit from special 'split' ergonomical keyboards
    - A tablet and pen straing the wrist less than a mouse, but the key is
    variation.
    - Good light. Avoid reflections where you can. Diminish contrast between
    screen and what's behind it. A small well-placd light could help.
    - Avoid STRESS. Constantly working under stress appears to be the number
    one cause of RSI. Avoid working against deadlines.
    - Use of wrist supports is recommended by some, and considered very bad by
    others. YMMV.
    - Get enough physical exercise.
    - Learn how to actively relax. Sounds contradictory but isn't. People tend
    to keep theire muscles' tension quite high subconsciously. Although it has
    a negative connotation with many, yoga isn't a cuss word here.

    Hope you find a way to keep doing what you do/like best without ruining
    your powerhouse!

    GOOD LUCK!
    If you want to discuss in detail, feel free to mail me.
    Sh.
     
    Schraalhans Keukenmeester, Jun 19, 2007
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  5. ronviers

    ronviers Guest


    Hey you guys are scaring me - cut it out. Actually it used to be a lot
    worse. I worked at a desk that had my elbows almost up to my
    shoulders. I hate to whine so I put up with it but the pain began to
    extend into the pit of my arm and shoulder, I started to loose feeling
    so I finally dealt with it - it is far better now. Now I wish I had
    said something sooner though. I will carefully consider you advice and
    implement what it possible.

    Thanks,
    Ron
     
    ronviers, Jun 19, 2007
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    michael Guest

    Dudes...not an ad but try Pain free at the PC by Pete Egoscue. The stuff
    in his Pain Free book is incredibly helpful and makes sense and works for
    me.
    M
     
    michael, Jun 19, 2007
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  7. I think you should be scared enough to change your habits, asap! My gf
    also suffered from similar.

    One thing that's helped me avoid same is extensive use of keyboard
    shortcuts. Just keeping ones's hand poised over the mouse can produce
    bad effects.

    Best wishes,

    John McWilliams
     
    John McWilliams, Jun 19, 2007
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  8. Hi Ron:

    All I can say is been there, done that. My suggestions are to switch to a
    track ball mouse, and its best that it’s one that uses your thumb. Take
    breaks often standing up and moving your arms. Make sure your mouse and
    keyboard are at the right height so your wrists are not bent when typing
    or using the mouse. Lastly go see a doctor, it may get better by itself
    but it may not and lasting damage to the nerves in your hands and wrists
    may happen. I spent many years working on the keyboard and mouse running
    AutoCAD. I’ve had the surgery on both wrists and it was a complete
    successes, I have no pain and no numbness. But I still follow all the
    things I’ve mentioned above.

    John Passaneau
     
    John Passaneau, Jun 19, 2007
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  9. In addition to the advice in other replies, these have worked for me:

    Handeze fingerless gloves:
    http://www.handeze.com/
    Also available at sewing/crafts stores. It's important to get the
    right size. (Hint: wear the goves inside-out -- looks ugly but then
    the seams don't leave creases in your skin.)

    Ergonomic keyboard (the kind that looks like it's broken)
    (Comes with a wrist rest. We also have a "normal" keyboard with a
    padded wrist rest.)

    Chair with arms to rest elbows on

    Frequent breaks

    -paul
     
    Paul Hartman/Dirty Linen, Jun 19, 2007
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    edjh Guest

    Yes! Doctor is absolutely what you need. This is not a minor thing.
     
    edjh, Jun 19, 2007
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    Mike Russell Guest

    Perhaps switching to a different device such as a Wacom tablet for part
    of the day. Also, 12 to 15 hours is too much, as it will make the rest
    of us appear unproductive by comparison.
     
    Mike Russell, Jun 19, 2007
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    ronviers Guest

    I can't help it Mike, I have started designing filters and it's the
    most compelling and engaging activity I have ever came across. 16
    hours is nothing - that goes by in a flash. But the editor is node
    based so I didn't consider my Wacom but now that you mention it, it
    may work. Either way my arm hardly moves with either device. Oddly
    enough when I use my mouse it rarely move more than an half inch
    because I constantly pick it up. Even though my table it only 4" by 5"
    it seems far too large because ordinarily my arm never moves. But now
    that I think about it maybe the tablet would *force* me to move my
    arm. I guess that is what you are saying.

    Thanks
     
    ronviers, Jun 19, 2007
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  13. Think Carpal Tunnel, you got it!!!!
     
    Let the big fish rule, Jun 19, 2007
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  14. And that's one reason I advocate use of keyboard shortcuts: It gets your
    arm and hand away from the mouse, and is a different set of movements.
     
    John McWilliams, Jun 20, 2007
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    ronviers Guest


    Ok John, I see, the idea is to change it up, hence the R in RSI. I am
    going to try moving the mouse over to the left side and use the tablet
    on the right side. Keyboard shortcuts make a lot of sense too - I will
    see what are available.
    Thanks to everyone for their valuable suggestions,
    Ron
     
    ronviers, Jun 20, 2007
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    Dave Guest


    Hi Ron,

    I suggest you visit South Africa for free medical advise on the
    problem with your arm. And luckily, Internet shrink the world such as
    it is only neccesary to click here, and you are right in the
    consulting rooms, and you can even pick between docters:

    http://www.health24.com/default.asp
    or even
    http://www.health24.com/experts/979.asp?gclid=CLacya6Ml4sCFRkcEAodWzm1Sw

    Keep this link on your desktop.

    Dave
     
    Dave, Jun 20, 2007
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    Dave Guest

    Dave, Jun 20, 2007
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    Dave Guest

    Hi Ron

    I suggest you visit South Africa for free medical advise on the
    problem with your arm. And luckily, Internet shrink the world such as
    it is only necessary to click here, and you are right in the
    consulting rooms, and you can even pick between doctors:

    http://www.health24.com/default.asp
    or even
    http://www.health24.com/experts/979.asp?gclid=CLacya6Ml4sCFRkcEAodWzm1Sw

    Keep this link on your desktop.

    Dave



    PS.
    Sorry for whoever received this mail more than once.
    I made a typing error which I corrected but I doubt
    if anyone picked up the first.
     
    Dave, Jun 20, 2007
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    MisterMax Guest

    For a long time I have used a mouse with my left hand and the tablet
    (and its mouse) with my right hand. It has helped me. I also suggest a
    timer across the room so that you get out of your chair every 15 minutes
    or so to stop the beep and restart it. That's been particularly
    beneficial to my back.
    - Max
     
    MisterMax, Jun 20, 2007
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    KatWoman Guest

    twelve or fifteen hours<< too much in one go
    your eyes need rest too
    watch how you rest your elbows, could be the "funny bone" it will make arm
    numbness if you press it at a bad angle
    observe your body and see if you are getting pinched nerves in the shoulder
    area
    use adjustable ARMRESTS>>>chair without arms is no good
    make sure shoulder and arm are straight line sloping down not up (chair
    height)
    aspirin, breaks and stretching, go to a chiropractor for adjustment 2-3
    times a week or massage
    make sure your mouse is good size for your hands and your wrists are not
    bent too much
    your mouse may be adjustable in the software for less hand movement to equal
    more screen movement, use easy glide surface for it or as suggested maybe
    try the pen and tablet

    not likely but
    have your heart checked if you are over 35
    arm numbness can signal heart attack
     
    KatWoman, Jun 20, 2007
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