ATI All In Wonder 9800 Pro 128MB

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Yogi, Feb 18, 2004.

  1. Yogi

    Yogi Guest

    Circuit City has this card on sale for $300 this week. I need something to
    convert old VHS tapes, and I could also use a video card upgrade.

    Does this card have audio out of sync issues?

    Any additional comments would be appreciated.

    Yogi
     
    Yogi, Feb 18, 2004
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  2. Nope.

    I've got one and have mastered 8 hours of Hi8 to DVD with very few problems.

    Quite fast card too. I originally purchase a 9600 AIW but discovered it
    didn't have DVI so I returned it and got the 9800. Runs a bit hot but I
    love the card and the captures.

    I capture to AVI and edit in Studio 8 (included with the card). Dropped
    frames and audio sync may be a symptom of the wrong hardware for the work.
    My on-board sound caused sync probs. Capturing to MPG in Studio 8 caused
    sync probs. Capturing to AVI works fine but is best with a dedicated sound
    card (in my case, YMMV):

    My system:

    Athlon 2600XP+
    Gigabyte GA-7NNXP board
    1 GB DDR 400 Dual Channel Ram.
    SATA Raid0 Array (4 disks for 480 GB).
    Maxtor IDE drive 120 GB (boot drive and programs)
    ATI AIW 9800 128MB
    Audigy 2 sound card (the on-board sound caused problems with crackling and
    syncing)
    Mitsumi 8x DVD burner (hey, I know, but it was on sale).

    No coasters yet and once I figured out the on-board sound problem no crashes
    or sync probs.

    HTH,
    Art

    BTW, is that as in "bear" or "Berra"?
     
    Art Wakefield, Feb 18, 2004
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  3. Yogi

    David Chien Guest

    for AIW boards, generally, if you use VirtualDub or AVI_IO + PicVideo
    MJPEG codec or Huffyuv codec and capture on a 2Ghz P4 desktop to AVI
    files encoded with those codecs, you can do full frame 30fps video
    captures for 2+ hours w/o any problems about sync or whatnot.

    Pretty much works back to the AIW 128 and up to the AIW 8500DV I've tested.
     
    David Chien, Feb 20, 2004
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  4. tested.

    That's great. I was actually referring to captures from inside Pinnacle 8,
    which is what I do. But thanks for the info...

    Art
     
    Art Wakefield, Feb 20, 2004
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  5. Yogi

    David Chien Guest

    That's great. I was actually referring to captures from inside Pinnacle 8,
    Well, that's up to the software you use, and in which case, may or
    may not work as well.... At least the HW is up to the task, for sure.

    Also, on a P4 2Ghz, the AIW 8500DV does MPEG-2/DVD stream captures to
    HD live w/o any problems at all using only the default ATI drivers and
    capture app.
     
    David Chien, Feb 21, 2004
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  6. Yeah, actually I've done capture within ATI's MMC apps as well. It works
    great. I just do it in Pinnacle because it seems to be an all in one app
    from capture to burn and I've had very few problems with it.

    Art
     
    Art Wakefield, Feb 21, 2004
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  7. Yogi

    Samuel Paik Guest

    It has the same "audio sync" issues that most other PC based video capture
    cards have; it, like many non-pro oriented video capture cards, doesn't
    actually have any way of capturing audio and relies on your sound card
    to capture audio. If your audio card's clock is off, then the audio
    sync will drift unless the capture software can compensate.

    Sam
     
    Samuel Paik, Feb 22, 2004
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  8. Yogi

    Yogi Guest

    It's been a busy week. Circuit City closed at 9:30 tonight, and at 9:25 I
    picked up the 9800 AIW.

    I'm not real encouraged about the sound, especially since I use the C-Media
    chip on my Asus A7V333. Oh well, Circuit City says I can test drive it for
    2 weeks and see how I like it so I'm going to try it out as soon as I get
    through replacing the bathtub, the tile on the bathroom floor and the tile
    around the tub.

    Lots of good info here. Many thanks to all who contributed to this thread!!

    Yogi


    | > Circuit City has this card on sale for $300 this week. I need something
    to
    | > convert old VHS tapes, and I could also use a video card upgrade.
    | >
    | > Does this card have audio out of sync issues?
    |
    | It has the same "audio sync" issues that most other PC based video capture
    | cards have; it, like many non-pro oriented video capture cards, doesn't
    | actually have any way of capturing audio and relies on your sound card
    | to capture audio. If your audio card's clock is off, then the audio
    | sync will drift unless the capture software can compensate.
    |
    | Sam
     
    Yogi, Feb 22, 2004
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  9. Yogi

    David Chien Guest

    It has the same "audio sync" issues that most other PC based video capture
    VirtualDub will take care of that. But haven't seen any sync
    problems thus far for general use....

    otherwise, up to the Canopus ADVC-100 box....
     
    David Chien, Feb 24, 2004
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  10. Yogi

    Yogi Guest

    Do you mean using VirtualDub after capture to align the audio and video or
    capturing with VD to avoid the problem?
    I haven't used VirtualDub.

    Yogi


    | > It has the same "audio sync" issues that most other PC based video
    capture
    | > cards have; it, like many non-pro oriented video capture cards, doesn't
    | > actually have any way of capturing audio and relies on your sound card
    |
    | VirtualDub will take care of that. But haven't seen any sync
    | problems thus far for general use....
    |
    | otherwise, up to the Canopus ADVC-100 box....
     
    Yogi, Feb 24, 2004
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  11. Yogi

    Yogi Guest

    Does the audio usually lead or lag by a constant amount through the video,
    or, does it get worse the longer the capture?

    Thanks again,

    Yogi


    | > It has the same "audio sync" issues that most other PC based video
    capture
    | > cards have; it, like many non-pro oriented video capture cards, doesn't
    | > actually have any way of capturing audio and relies on your sound card
    |
    | VirtualDub will take care of that. But haven't seen any sync
    | problems thus far for general use....
    |
    | otherwise, up to the Canopus ADVC-100 box....
     
    Yogi, Feb 24, 2004
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  12. Yogi

    David Chien Guest

    Programs like VirtualDub automatically lock-down the audio & video
    streams so there are no problems with sync over time. See
    http://www.virtualdub.org/ for more information.

    AVI_IO is another capture program that successfully captures ATI AIW
    video w/o a problem.
     
    David Chien, Feb 24, 2004
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  13. Yogi

    Yogi Guest

    Thanks, David!

    Yogi


    | Programs like VirtualDub automatically lock-down the audio & video
    | streams so there are no problems with sync over time. See
    | http://www.virtualdub.org/ for more information.
    |
    | AVI_IO is another capture program that successfully captures ATI AIW
    | video w/o a problem.
     
    Yogi, Feb 25, 2004
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