ATTN Eric Gill

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by howldog, Nov 6, 2003.

  1. howldog

    howldog Guest


    I've gotta send a hi rez pdf of an ad i did in Quark, to a magazine.

    Didnt you once tell me, set the resolution output of Distiller, to
    2400, for that situation?

    howldog, Nov 6, 2003
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  2. howldog

    Eric Gill Guest

    Coo'. Do it all the time.
    Yep. Though the setting is usually not needed (or used) it's a safety net
    in case you miss checking things like "Full Resolution Tiff Output".

    BTW - if you are transmitting the file, you can use the mildest JPEG
    compression to save time (Automatic Zip/JPEG Low). If your images are at
    the needed resolution, this won't make a real difference on the output end.

    Yell if you need some more direction on settings.
    Eric Gill, Nov 6, 2003
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  3. howldog

    howldog Guest

    um, i get that in my postscript print driver, however, i dont use that
    when in rip pdfs...... just go to utilities in Quark and select
    "export to pdf". However in the ensuing "preferences" box, i can
    choose print drivers, and the default is Distiller 3.0 (yeah we;'re
    waaaaaay behind the times here)... I could select my postscript
    printer if i wanted to.

    I have in fact, printed a Quark job to file via the postscript print
    dirver, selected full resolution tiff output, and then opened the .ps
    file with distiller, to rip a pdf..... seems to be the same.... am i
    missing something?
    howldog, Nov 6, 2003
  4. howldog

    Eric Gill Guest

    Ouch. Very buggy version. Good luck.
    It's a good idea. In your print setup, your driver is a high-end PS
    device, but the PPD is Distiller.
    Not really, that's the way to operate. However, "Export to PDF" is just
    automating the process. It prints a PS file to disk, passes it to
    Distiller with the options you selected, then deletes the .ps file after
    distilling. Very handy.

    This is why you need to set your print options up correctly. I had a
    magazine go to press with "Full Resolution Tiff Output" *not* clicked.
    Everything in Tiff format came out about 100 dpi.
    Eric Gill, Nov 6, 2003
  5. howldog

    howldog Guest

    um, well if i use the automated export to pdf thing, how do i know
    which PS device is printing the PS file to disk? If I only have one
    high-end PS driver, doesnt it have to be that one? Or is it using some
    built in, automated driver i'm unaware of?

    i see. well, i could just do it manually then, to make sure i dont run
    into any problems. Quark, select high end postscript print dirver,
    Full resolution tiff files, print to file, then open up the PS file in

    is that what you'd recommend? Its only a one page document.
    howldog, Nov 7, 2003
  6. howldog

    Eric Gill Guest

    Print->Printer dropdown.

    You also need to set the correct printer description (Distiller) in the
    "Setup" tab in the same menu.

    No, no no. I'm saying that "Export to PDF" does exactly that without you
    having to go through all the steps. Just set the options correctly.
    Eric Gill, Nov 7, 2003
  7. howldog

    howldog Guest

    ok, you mean in Quark? I got two correct possibles.... my high end
    postscript rip driver, and, Distiller Asst.

    theres also Acrobat PDF writer, but i always have problems with that.

    I'm assuming i select the high end postscript printer here, and then
    set up the options for it properly.
    ok, this gets confusing....... in the set up tab, i have the following
    options.... Acrobat Distiller, default postscript driver, and the high
    end postscript rip driver.

    appreciate your help on this. its kinda confusing but i hope once i
    figure it out, it will help me a lot in the future, especially being
    on PC Quark and having to send files to Mac only print vendors....
    howldog, Nov 7, 2003
  8. howldog

    Eric Gill Guest

    That's the one.
    Everyone does. Don't use it.

    I shoulda done this earlier:
    That's where I'm at, and Acrobat has helped immensely.

    It's even worse for PC InDesign. Many printers wet themselves at the mere
    mention. I just send them Acrobat stuff. Any mention of "native files" and
    I'll go elsewhere.
    Eric Gill, Nov 7, 2003
  9. howldog

    howldog Guest

    very good. very helpful. thank you.

    so, then, does it matter what resolution the Distiller job option is
    set to? 2400? or, using this scenario, does it not matter?

    this is weird, perhaps i am missing something, however, if i do not
    downsample the images via Distiller options, i wind up with a file
    over 12 mb. (Coupla hi rez photos involved)

    If i downsample, auto-zip-lo, 72dpi, i get a file size of 144k.

    is this normal? Yer saying I can send the 144k one to the printer and
    get god results? how can that be? Is it just the preview that gets

    right, i'm getting tired of having to send ads made in Illustrator,
    tons of text, then outline it all for them.
    howldog, Nov 7, 2003
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    Eric Gill Guest

    You bet.
    This really only matters (I think) if you accidentally miss the "Full Rez
    Tiff" option. This way it will not downsample as it prints.
    Okay. Are these pictures shrunk in Quark?
    I wouldn't, but read on.
    That's compression.
    No. Notice the "keep resolution" setting at the above link.
    Good Lord, no.

    Downsampling only works well for offset print if you have graphics that
    have been shrunk in Quark and you don't bother to re-size them yourself
    in Photoshop before distilling.

    For example, a picture that is the correct resolution to start with
    shrunk to 50% in Quark is four times larger than it needs to be. If you
    select Resolution->Downsample to:->300 dpi, Acrobat will re-size the
    picture to what it needs to be.

    I usually do this by hand in Photoshop, as a downsampled pic often needs
    more sharpening and slight color correction. As a side benefit, a Quark
    document with all of it's pictures at 100% is going to be smaller and
    will print faster.

    Not to mention potential translation and prepress problems.
    Eric Gill, Nov 7, 2003
  11. howldog

    howldog Guest

    OK thanks

    more questions below but i think i'm beginning to get the hang of

    yes they are.

    if think i got it.... select lo compression, but on the next
    pull-down, either select, Keep resolution, if files are placed at
    100%, or if files are shrunk in Quark, select Downsample to 300dpi. Is
    this right? Makes sense....

    I didnt see that pull-down menu item before.
    howldog, Nov 7, 2003
  12. howldog

    Eric Gill Guest

    Cool. Takes repetition, like most things.


    300 is a good compromise. Really, it should be 2x the linescreen rate, but
    that assumes you know what they're printing at.

    Want to send me the pdf file to glance at? I'll forward you an email
    address that isn't infested with spam if so.
    Layout lives and dies by missed options and strategies and workarounds.
    Check comp.publish prepress for my latest learning experience in Acrobat.
    Eric Gill, Nov 7, 2003
  13. howldog

    howldog Guest

    OK, I'm good. I re-ripped the same file, downsample to 300dpi and it
    came in much smaller, then i even printed that and it looked
    marvelous. So you have been very helpful, your advice has saved the
    day. thanks a lot.
    howldog, Nov 7, 2003
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    WharfRat Guest

    If sending to prepress for print ...
    don't compress or sample anything.
    Turn it all off.

    If you are doing something else
    compress and sample all you want.

    WharfRat, Nov 8, 2003
  15. howldog

    WharfRat Guest

    Why is everyone converting everything to curves


    WharfRat, Nov 8, 2003
  16. howldog

    WharfRat Guest

    You know
    the way people are creating entire pages as raster images ...
    300 dpi sucks
    You really like type at 300dpi?
    If someone "gives a shit"
    they should design at the resolution of the imagesetter.

    WharfRat, Nov 8, 2003
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    Eric Gill Guest

    We're not talking about creating entire pages as raster images.

    Eric Gill, Nov 8, 2003
  18. howldog

    Eric Gill Guest

    Been in the (un)Happy Juice this fine evening?
    Eric Gill, Nov 8, 2003
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    WharfRat Guest

    WharfRat, Nov 8, 2003
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    howldog Guest

    right. Do your work in live type, on a PC, and send the PC fonts to a
    Mac imagesetter. Good luck. Get back to us withyour experiences. To
    make it even MORE fun, dont use Illustrator, use Quark.
    howldog, Nov 10, 2003
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