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Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Ken Frost, Dec 14, 2004.

  1. Ken Frost

    Ken Frost Guest

    I got an email I sent you returned so here is the text.

    Leonid - first off, thank you for all the help you have provided - I am
    really making progress.

    I downloaded the Fly2000 program (finally) that you recommended. I have
    uninstalled the 'PVR Plus' application that came with my Capture card.

    Two points, you said that I should capture at 704x576 - I am failing when
    trying to capture with Fly2000 at this resolution - the capture seems to
    start but then when I stop I get an error message stating that no frames
    were captured (something to do with horizontal? sync ?) - There are many
    different settings I note in Fly2000 - obviously although I am learning
    quite fast (because of all my mistakes) I am not familiar with a lot of
    them - I am wondering if I have something set wrong. Mostly, when I can't
    capture properly it seems to help to turn OFF preview (why is this), I
    have tried but with Fly2000 it has not helped.

    Strangely, since removing the 'PVR plus' application and changing the
    Drivers that you told me about (the phillips ones) - I now find that I
    seem to be able to capture at 704x576 using VirtualVCR ! Before I could
    not - I still have to turn off the preview but it seems to work - I get a
    few dropped frames but not many (does this matter ?).

    I was told to capture at 353x576 (by someone else on the newsgroup when I
    first started) and then Recode to an Mpeg2 at 352x576 - now I am
    capturing at 704x576 I presume I will have to recode to DVD(PAL) using
    TMPG at 720x576 is this right ? I was told to keep my capture and my
    recode sizes the same - any advice on that would be great.

    The results I am getting even now with the finished files is really quite
    good - literally two weeks ago when I made my first capture the quality
    was all so bad I thought I would have to give up, so thank you for your
    support.

    I am having problems with audio sync - I have resorted to cutting up the
    finished capture file into several parts (most of the transcription I am
    doing is old music clips) so I split the file roughly at the song breaks
    - I then recode, then join the clips again using TMPG - this seems to get
    over the sync problem - I guessed at this method and it seems to work -
    any comments appreciated.

    I am sorry this is a long email - but I like the look of the Fly2000
    program (it seems very thorough ). If you have the time to help some more
    I would be really grateful.

    Hope to hear from you and thank you again.

    Regards


    PS I have an All-in-Wonder 128 PRO 32MB AGP MULTISTD Capture card and
    have just bought a cable for it from someone on the newsgroup - would
    this be better than the 7134 I am using - any advantages one way or the
    other ?
     
    Ken Frost, Dec 14, 2004
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  2. : I got an email I sent you returned so here is the text.

    Yeah, that's a protection from spam. venom at csa dot bu dot edu is not going
    to work.

    : Two points, you said that I should capture at 704x576 - I am failing when

    Correct.

    : trying to capture with Fly2000 at this resolution - the capture seems to
    : start but then when I stop I get an error message stating that no frames
    : were captured (something to do with horizontal? sync ?) - There are many

    There's something wrong with your settings. Do you have video signal at all?

    : different settings I note in Fly2000 - obviously although I am learning
    : quite fast (because of all my mistakes) I am not familiar with a lot of
    : them - I am wondering if I have something set wrong. Mostly, when I can't
    : capture properly it seems to help to turn OFF preview (why is this), I
    : have tried but with Fly2000 it has not helped.

    With Flyvideo, you don't need to turne the preview off. Go to hardware and
    uncheck Use WDM drivers. Restart the program. In video settings try to use
    overlay. Recovery mode - fast tracking. Or play with free running and see what
    you will get.

    Keep in mind when you capture with Fly2000, hide the video screen completely.
    that's right, you don't want your system to spend resources showing what's
    on the screen.
    :
    : I was told to capture at 353x576 (by someone else on the newsgroup when I

    353x576? Why 353?

    : first started) and then Recode to an Mpeg2 at 352x576 - now I am
    : capturing at 704x576 I presume I will have to recode to DVD(PAL) using
    : TMPG at 720x576 is this right ? I was told to keep my capture and my

    No. You will need to use avisynth to resize to 352x576 or just feeding
    directly to TMPGenc at 704x576. Forget about 720.

    : I am having problems with audio sync - I have resorted to cutting up the
    : finished capture file into several parts (most of the transcription I am
    : doing is old music clips) so I split the file roughly at the song breaks
    : - I then recode, then join the clips again using TMPG - this seems to get
    : over the sync problem - I guessed at this method and it seems to work -
    : any comments appreciated.

    Try it with Fly2000. There're the recording settings. You should be capturing
    at 48000 kHz. Or if your audio quality on those VHS sucking anyway, try to
    use internal chip and record at 32kHz. You will need to re-sample it. I
    recommend SSRC.exe program.
    :
    : PS I have an All-in-Wonder 128 PRO 32MB AGP MULTISTD Capture card and
    : have just bought a cable for it from someone on the newsgroup - would
    : this be better than the 7134 I am using - any advantages one way or the
    : other ?

    I don't know. You tell me about which card gives a better image quality.
    I think nothing beats Philips based cards.

    --Leonid
     
    Leonid Makarovsky, Dec 14, 2004
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  3. Ken Frost

    Ken Frost Guest

    Thanks for the reply Leonid - I was not using that email address but the
    other one you gave me before (leonid_makarovsky at yahoo dot com) - it
    just bounced back for ome reason - I just replace the 'at' and the 'dot'.

    Of course, today, it seems to be working (maybe a reboot in between, who
    knows, sorry.

    I don't have the WDM drivers checked - I can't find 'Overlay' mode but I
    have changed to 'fast-tracking' as suggested.

    I have set the preview screen to hide as soon as capture starts.

    353x576 - Typing mistake, I meant 352x576 - sorry - I can't change to
    704x576 using TMPG (DVD(PAL) Template) - should I unlock this template
    and set it manually ?

    Back to Audio - I am capturing at 48000kHz - I don't know how to do
    'internal chip' at 32kHz - any info would be useful.

    If I capture at 48000kHz will I be able to just recode using TMPG to
    704x576 producing a 'system' file ready to burn to DVD ? Will I get
    better sound some other way ? As you say 'old' VHS sound is not really
    that good. Is ther a 'best' way of setting the volume ?

    When I encode using TMPG I set the 'Noise Reduction' and 'Sharpen Edge'
    filters - anything else you would suggest for old video ?

    Some of my video has interference in the first 10 -15 seconds - this
    seems to cause a host of dropped frames but I would still like to keep it
    - If I edit the video at the end of the capture clipping of the very
    begining section (where the dropouts happened) is it likely that the
    remainder will stay in audio sync ? What number of dropouts shoud be
    considered unimportant (percentage or number per capture ).

    Thanks again for taking the time to help out.

    Regards







    [posted and mailed]
     
    Ken Frost, Dec 14, 2004
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  4. Ken Frost

    Ken Frost Guest

    Thanks for the reply Leonid - I was not using that email address but the
    other one you gave me before (leonid_makarovsky at yahoo dot com) - it
    just bounced back for ome reason - I just replace the 'at' and the 'dot'.

    Of course, today, it seems to be working (maybe a reboot in between, who
    knows, sorry.

    I don't have the WDM drivers checked - I can't find 'Overlay' mode but I
    have changed to 'fast-tracking' as suggested.

    I have set the preview screen to hide as soon as capture starts.

    353x576 - Typing mistake, I meant 352x576 - sorry - I can't change to
    704x576 using TMPG (DVD(PAL) Template) - should I unlock this template
    and set it manually ?

    Back to Audio - I am capturing at 48000kHz - I don't know how to do
    'internal chip' at 32kHz - any info would be useful.

    If I capture at 48000kHz will I be able to just recode using TMPG to
    704x576 producing a 'system' file ready to burn to DVD ? Will I get
    better sound some other way ? As you say 'old' VHS sound is not really
    that good. Is ther a 'best' way of setting the volume ?

    When I encode using TMPG I set the 'Noise Reduction' and 'Sharpen Edge'
    filters - anything else you would suggest for old video ?

    Some of my video has interference in the first 10 -15 seconds - this
    seems to cause a host of dropped frames but I would still like to keep it
    - If I edit the video at the end of the capture clipping of the very
    begining section (where the dropouts happened) is it likely that the
    remainder will stay in audio sync ? What number of dropouts shoud be
    considered unimportant (percentage or number per capture ).

    Thanks again for taking the time to help out.

    Regards
     
    Ken Frost, Dec 14, 2004
    #4
  5. Damn, I hit the wrong button and all my typing was gone.

    : Thanks for the reply Leonid - I was not using that email address but the
    : other one you gave me before (leonid_makarovsky at yahoo dot com) - it

    leonid_makarovsky at yahoo dot com should work.

    : I don't have the WDM drivers checked - I can't find 'Overlay' mode but I
    : have changed to 'fast-tracking' as suggested.

    Overlay seem to not matter. But it's in video settings - top left corner.

    : 353x576 - Typing mistake, I meant 352x576 - sorry - I can't change to

    Keep 704x576.

    : 704x576 using TMPG (DVD(PAL) Template) - should I unlock this template
    : and set it manually ?

    Correct. I have my customized templates, I can send you....


    : Back to Audio - I am capturing at 48000kHz - I don't know how to do
    : 'internal chip' at 32kHz - any info would be useful.

    Plug audio into your capture card. In Fly2000 in recording panel click on the
    3rd tab I think. And then there will be 2 tabs. Click on one of them. You will
    find smth like use internal ADC. Lock audio to video...

    : If I capture at 48000kHz will I be able to just recode using TMPG to
    : 704x576 producing a 'system' file ready to burn to DVD ? Will I get

    If I capture from LaserDisc, I use elementary stream for video and wav file for
    audio. That way audio is not compressed. If the sound on VHS is so-so,
    compressing it to .mp2 format is ok I guess.

    : better sound some other way ? As you say 'old' VHS sound is not really
    : that good. Is ther a 'best' way of setting the volume ?

    Volume doesnt' matter. VHS is VHS. It's not CD, not LaserDisc, not DVD and for
    X sake not a vinyl record.

    : When I encode using TMPG I set the 'Noise Reduction' and 'Sharpen Edge'
    : filters - anything else you would suggest for old video ?


    I would recommend using AVISynth external fllters, but I am looking for that
    knowlege myself.

    : Some of my video has interference in the first 10 -15 seconds - this
    : seems to cause a host of dropped frames but I would still like to keep it

    If that's the case and you want to keep it, try to capture first 10 seconds.
    Then do a separate capture after the interference gone.

    some dropped frames may not be reported and that causes A/V dissynchronization.


    : remainder will stay in audio sync ? What number of dropouts shoud be
    : considered unimportant (percentage or number per capture ).

    I don't think so. If the frame is dropped but not reported, you have audio
    delay by a frame right there.

    As for the soundcard. I just bought Terratec Aureoun Universe 7.1. The capture
    stays in perfect sync. I'm very surprised, but it does.

    --Leonid








    :
    : >: I got an email I sent you returned so here is the text.
    : >
    : > Yeah, that's a protection from spam. venom at csa dot bu dot edu is
    : > not going to work.
    : >
    : >: Two points, you said that I should capture at 704x576 - I am failing
    : >: when
    : >
    : > Correct.
    : >
    : >: trying to capture with Fly2000 at this resolution - the capture seems
    : >: to start but then when I stop I get an error message stating that no
    : >: frames were captured (something to do with horizontal? sync ?) -
    : >: There are many
    : >
    : > There's something wrong with your settings. Do you have video signal
    : > at all?
    : >
    : >: different settings I note in Fly2000 - obviously although I am
    : >: learning quite fast (because of all my mistakes) I am not familiar
    : >: with a lot of them - I am wondering if I have something set wrong.
    : >: Mostly, when I can't capture properly it seems to help to turn OFF
    : >: preview (why is this), I have tried but with Fly2000 it has not
    : >: helped.
    : >
    : > With Flyvideo, you don't need to turne the preview off. Go to hardware
    : > and uncheck Use WDM drivers. Restart the program. In video settings
    : > try to use overlay. Recovery mode - fast tracking. Or play with free
    : > running and see what you will get.
    : >
    : > Keep in mind when you capture with Fly2000, hide the video screen
    : > completely. that's right, you don't want your system to spend
    : > resources showing what's on the screen.
    : >:
    : >: I was told to capture at 353x576 (by someone else on the newsgroup
    : >: when I
    : >
    : > 353x576? Why 353?
    : >
    : >: first started) and then Recode to an Mpeg2 at 352x576 - now I am
    : >: capturing at 704x576 I presume I will have to recode to DVD(PAL)
    : >: using TMPG at 720x576 is this right ? I was told to keep my capture
    : >: and my
    : >
    : > No. You will need to use avisynth to resize to 352x576 or just feeding
    : > directly to TMPGenc at 704x576. Forget about 720.
    : >
    : >: I am having problems with audio sync - I have resorted to cutting up
    : >: the finished capture file into several parts (most of the
    : >: transcription I am doing is old music clips) so I split the file
    : >: roughly at the song breaks - I then recode, then join the clips again
    : >: using TMPG - this seems to get over the sync problem - I guessed at
    : >: this method and it seems to work - any comments appreciated.
    : >
    : > Try it with Fly2000. There're the recording settings. You should be
    : > capturing at 48000 kHz. Or if your audio quality on those VHS sucking
    : > anyway, try to use internal chip and record at 32kHz. You will need to
    : > re-sample it. I recommend SSRC.exe program.
    : >:
    : >: PS I have an All-in-Wonder 128 PRO 32MB AGP MULTISTD Capture card and
    : >: have just bought a cable for it from someone on the newsgroup - would
    : >: this be better than the 7134 I am using - any advantages one way or
    : >: the other ?
    : >
    : > I don't know. You tell me about which card gives a better image
    : > quality. I think nothing beats Philips based cards.
    : >
    : > --Leonid
     
    Leonid Makarovsky, Dec 14, 2004
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  6. Ken Frost

    Ken Frost Guest

    If I could have copies of your templates that would be geood, thank you
    again.

    Audio volume, I was wondering about Recording levels ? Any ideas.

    Thanks
     
    Ken Frost, Dec 15, 2004
    #6
  7. Ken Frost

    Ken Frost Guest

    Leonid,

    If I plug my sound from Video to Capture card Audio in, I cannot get any
    sound at all, even if I then connect the Audio out from the capture card
    to my line in on my sound card ! Any ideas ?

    Did you think it was a good idea to use a proper sound card instead of
    the on board sound ?

    Thanks again.
     
    Ken Frost, Dec 15, 2004
    #7
  8. : If I could have copies of your templates that would be geood, thank you
    : again.

    I'll try to e-mail them if I don't forget.

    : Audio volume, I was wondering about Recording levels ? Any ideas.

    Make sure the levels don't go beyond 0db.

    --Leonid
     
    Leonid Makarovsky, Dec 15, 2004
    #8
  9. : If I plug my sound from Video to Capture card Audio in, I cannot get any
    : sound at all, even if I then connect the Audio out from the capture card
    : to my line in on my sound card ! Any ideas ?


    Make sure you connect properly. In Fly2000 go to Settings->Audio and check
    render audio stream through internal ADC or something like that. Do you get
    the sound during preview?

    : Did you think it was a good idea to use a proper sound card instead of
    : the on board sound ?

    On-boards soundcards suck. As a matter of fact all SoundBlasters suck. If you're
    aiming for good sound get yourself a decent soundcard like M-Audio or Terratec.
    Terratec would be better for what you're doing.

    --Leonid
     
    Leonid Makarovsky, Dec 15, 2004
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