Autumn leaves car wrecked...

Discussion in 'Photography' started by J, Nov 5, 2012.

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    J Guest

    J, Nov 5, 2012
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  2. Charles E. Hardwidge, Nov 6, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Now, without wanting to sound too harsh here, what exactly was your
    intention with this image?

    It seems you have used a heavy hand with whatever sharpening process
    you were using. Then to my eye, so much else is so wrong.

    If you were intending some sort of artistic interpretation, fine but
    there is so much wrong here, particularly with the trees and over
    processing. I have a feeling that PeterN would encourage you to go over
    the top and turn this into some sort of abstract.

    I suspect that some of us would come to a different result if we were
    to tinker with your original. So if you wouldn't mind throwing your
    original, unmolested image file to the wolves, post a link to it here
    or email or DB it to those addresses you could decode. One or two us
    egomaniacal post-processing fools might come up with a somewhat
    different variation on your theme.

    BTW: The frame is also a bit over gone.
     
    Savageduck, Nov 6, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    ....er "overdone."
     
    Savageduck, Nov 6, 2012
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    J Guest

    J, Nov 6, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    OK!
    Here are two renditions, one somewhat clean and one pushing things to
    the "grunge" side. There are of course quite a few was of attacking
    this to come up with something a little different.
    Clean:
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/J-Clean-01w.jpg >
    Grunge:
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/J-grunge-01w.jpg >


    Here is a gallery with four shots, your treatment, your original and my
    two versions:
    <
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lx56l61b7bbj1se/WiWStVLy9L/Shared Images/USENET SHARE/J-VW
     
    Savageduck, Nov 6, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    Actually, the image itself isn't bad. I think it's too warm, but it's
    not bad. What puts me off is the elaborate framing. The frame
    dominates the view.

    Also, I'd clone out that horizontal bar that looks like it is coming
    out of the windshield.
     
    tony cooper, Nov 6, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Savageduck, Nov 6, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    Yes. I would leave the "No Parking" sign that the OP cloned out but
    you didn't. That adds a bit of humor.

    I'm torn between the yellow cast on the vehicle and the whiter version
    you did in another version. The yellow blends in and the whiter cars
    adds a bit of a jarring note to the warmth. The white is cold.
    A bit flat.

    Generally, I like subtle change and not dramatic change, but this one
    calls for some drama.

    The remaining problem with this image is the blue-green seen through
    the front windshield. I'd warm that up a little and use a mask to
    allow that to show through.
     
    tony cooper, Nov 6, 2012
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    J Guest

    I had seen the shot as I drove past last week, but the leaves were more
    golden/orange looking and by the time I got around to taking the shot, the
    colours had faded greatly, hence my attempt at trying to rectreate the scene
    as I saw it the week before, but maybe I overdid it a lil bit. It probably
    is too bright and sort of 'pastel' to look like a real photo, but then
    again, looking at the 'grunge' version by savageduck I have to say I'd never
    have gone that far, even though I do like his interpretation of the pic. It
    just seems to me that the grunge effect covers the whole shot, whereas I
    mught have only used this effect on the car say, but not to extend it to the
    sky etc.,. I also forgot to add or 'leave in' some shadowy areas rather than
    the whole thing looking the same from left to right. I never thought of the
    'no parking' sign as a plus, but you are so right there! It's is quite a
    touch of humour in the photo. As for the frame, it was just something I had
    picked up and added to my PS frames a couple of years ago...'called 'Bud's
    Frames' or whatever, but I don't really think the frame serves any real
    purpose other than make it look ugly. The piece of wood is actually a part
    of a fence, but the photo would look better with it cloned out.

    Btw, I am not a photographer like you guys, I just like to take photos! :)
    It's getting to be addictive though! Hopefully, my ability with a camera and
    photoshop will improve soon!

    Thanks.

    J
     
    J, Nov 6, 2012
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    J Guest


    Okay, here's my 'final' edit....

    http://ic2.pbase.com/o6/69/313769/1/147175507.lotQlO3D.Carchange2c.jpg

    Based upon you guys' advice.

    J
     
    J, Nov 6, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    You are no less of a photographer than I am, or - for that matter -
    Savageduck. We are both enthusiastic amateurs. In my case, probably
    better at critiquing others than I can do myself.

    At our level, *seeing* what makes an interesting photograph is 95% of
    good photography. The post-processing can add to the final effect, or
    - in some cases - ruin it. Experimenting with processing technique
    can be both fun and a learning experience.

    Posting links to your image can also be very educational. You get to
    see what others see in your image and what others might do with it in
    post. There's no right or wrong in post, and no need to agree with
    what others do with your image. Sometimes a change made by others
    shows you something you want to do, and sometimes it reinforces your
    own judgement of what to do.
     
    tony cooper, Nov 6, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Now that the frame is out of the way let's get down to the stuff which
    is OK, and the stuff which is just not right.

    Removing the piece of wood works to improve the overall concept.

    Fixing the blue + clouds in the sky is also OK, but not necessary if it
    is going to screw up something else.

    Here is where in my opinion the image falls apart. All the vegetation
    in the upper left quadrant is awful. You seem to have tried to sharpen
    that area and have ended up over sharpening to the point that there is
    nothing but a mass of introduced sharpening artifacts which are out of
    place.

    The foreground leaves seem softened when they should be sharper. I
    don't know what you used for your lighting effects, while at first
    glance they seem fine, a closer look shows a color cast on the wheels
    where I would have painted out the effect using an adjustment layer
    mask.

    The light effects on the foreground leaves, and barn seem artificial
    and make the foreground leaves appear muddy.


    Consider the image. The focus of the image is the car, and it should
    "pop" out of the matrix of the rest of the image. The image is the car
    and the barn. The foliage plays a part as does the sky, but it is not
    vital that they feature to the point that they become a distraction
    from the stars of the image, the car & the barn. There is no need to
    concern yourself with sharpening in that background foliage. If
    anything you would be better off reducing sharpness and structure in
    that area.
    ICBW, but to me your image has the look and feel of an over use of some
    of the Topaz filters.

    Again a grunge version, I am not particularly concerned with the
    background other than to give the car a visual launching point to the
    eye. It doesn't matter if it is grunge or clean it is the car your eye
    should be drawn to, not the awful distraction of the over sharpened
    background and fixed sky.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/J-Grunge-4Aw.jpg >
     
    Savageduck, Nov 6, 2012
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  14. ACTUALLY... I don't think it's *that* bad either.

    It's got that sort arty farty Hammer horror look that was big with the
    Sunday supplements in the 1970's.
     
    Charles E. Hardwidge, Nov 7, 2012
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    J Guest

    Wow! That 'IS' a great photo! :) I really love this version of the pic as it
    has a totally different feel to it from any of the others. Wish I could put
    into 'photography jargon' what's different about it, but no chance of that.
    There's a lot of things I like about it, like the redder leaves on the car,
    the light on the car, the darker sky, the general look of an old car, the
    garage looks great! Guess it's all down to personal interptetation, but
    you've definetely added something to the pic that makes it a much more
    believeable photo.

    J
     
    J, Nov 7, 2012
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    J Guest

    Thanks for the advice, it's appreciated!

    J
     
    J, Nov 7, 2012
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  17. I might be a snotty elitist but I make a point to never make a distinction
    between professional and amateur in any field. Everyone's effort as far as
    I'm concerned is valid. As for whether it's any good, appealing, or a worthy
    use of anyone's time, or whether those questions themselves have validity is
    something else.

    Well, you seem open minded and keen. That's rare...
     
    Charles E. Hardwidge, Nov 7, 2012
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    J Guest


    I have no choice! :)

    J
     
    J, Nov 7, 2012
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  19. Such moral fortitude as well? Oh, my golly gosh.
     
    Charles E. Hardwidge, Nov 7, 2012
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    Chemiker, Nov 7, 2012
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