Avid Liquid 7.0 DVD Production vs Premiere Pro + Encore DVD

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by rghenderson, Jun 12, 2006.

  1. rghenderson

    rghenderson Guest

    I'm currently looking at purchasing Avid Liquid 7.0 or Premiere Pro for
    the production of coporate dvd's. The adobe encore dvd website shows
    the program doing everything i need for an upcoming project. However
    the cost is a big factor especially if I have to buy that on-top of
    premiere pro. I am interested by avid liquid 7.0 and its in built dvd
    production (not to mention the price difference) but the avid website
    shows me very little of the dvd production function. I was wondering if
    anyone who uses avid liquid 7.0 for dvd production could tell me how
    simple it is to use.

    I'n the short term I need to produce a dvd with a fairly complex menu
    encompasing a number of small clips, aswell as an image slide show
    which will probably require individual selection of images (up to 500
    alphabetically aranged) aswell as a "play all" function. The Encore dvd
    flowchart system looked easy enough to use. Your thoughts would be very
    much appreciated.

    Any other coments on any major differences between avid liquid and
    premiere pro would also be appreciated.

    ps i have limited experience using premiere 6.5 and final cut pro,
    notable differences?

    Cheers
    Robert Henderson
     
    rghenderson, Jun 12, 2006
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  2. I think you will have to work a lot and to use a couple of tricks to get
    your target with Liquid. DVD Menus editing IMHO is not its strong point...

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  3. rghenderson

    nappy Guest

    Premiere Pro.. Make DVDs right from the timeline. Awesome app. I do not
    recommend anything from Avid/Pinnacle if you want to get things done.
     
    nappy, Jun 12, 2006
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  4. rghenderson

    TonyP Guest

    While I would disagree with Nappy on Liquid (he has never used the
    product, where is I own it), you might be able to pull this off. The key
    word is "might". While Liquid is an excellent editor, DVD and titling
    are not up to what some people would like. For me and the basic DVD
    authoring I do, it is fine. There are those that need more and use other
    programs (in addition to using Liquid).
    http://vfwtech.com/Liquid/other_free_tutorials.htm Scroll down to the
    DVD Authoring by Paul Mitton. It is about 37 minutes and will give you a
    quick overview of using Liquid. Although it is for v6, it is basically
    the same for v7.
    http://tinyurl.com/h72hj for the link to the Avid Liquid forums with
    messages about dvd authoring. Lots of reading there.
    I went from Premiere 6.5 to Liquid 5.5 a couple of years ago. It took a
    while to get used to the interface (although they have made it now with
    Liquid v7 more "windows" standard), but once I did, I could not even
    think of going back to Premiere. It has been for me a stable platform
    with many features that others are just catching up to.
    NLE software is a matter of personal preference. There will be those
    that love this product or that. Me, I started editing with a/b roll on
    an Amiga with a Video Toaster. Then went to DPS Editbay w/Video Action,
    then Pinnacle DV500+ w/Premiere, now Avid Liquid. Each interface was
    different. I learned them all and went to work.
    While I would say try the demo dvd, you can get much info from the
    tutorials on Pinnacle/Avid site.
    http://www.pinnaclesys.com/publicsite/us/Tutorials/Online+Tutorials/
    look for the ones with Liquid Edition.
     
    TonyP, Jun 13, 2006
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    Per1000IPDay7, Jun 13, 2006
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  6. rghenderson

    Mr. Tapeguy Guest

    I have not used either a great deal so I don't feel qualifed to comment
    on differences in-depth. I have, however heard very good things about
    Sony Vegas so you might want to check that out too.

    Are you committed to PC? You say you've used Final Cut Pro before.
    DVD Studio Pro is generally regarded to be far and away the best DVD
    authoring system for the money but of course if you're sticking with PC
    that's irrelevant.

    Craig

    http://www.pro-tape.com

    Adobe Video Collection - Apple Final Cut Studio - Avid Xpress Pro HD -
    Avid Liquid - Sony Vegas
     
    Mr. Tapeguy, Jun 13, 2006
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  7. rghenderson

    Mr. Tapeguy Guest

    TonyP wrote:

    Interesting.

    Craig

    http://www.pro-tape.com

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    Maxell - Microboards - Primera - ProDisc- Rimage - Ritek/Ridata - Taiyo
    Yuden - Verbatim - Vinpower
     
    Mr. Tapeguy, Jun 13, 2006
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  8. rghenderson

    Teeafit Guest

    In my experience I would approach Avid 7 with some caution if you are
    proposing to do a lot of DVD authoring. I can confirm that can be a
    bit clunky -- as an example, suddenly producing a duplicate set of
    chapter points just when you thought you were getting where you wanted
    to be.

    It's SUPPOSED to be much better in v7 (with SP2), but I was badly
    burned with the previous incarnation (Pinnacle LEv6) in that I ended up
    with 2000 discs pressed before I discovered that there was a menu
    problem that affected many low-budget players (eg LG and Alba), but
    also some high-end stuff such certain Panasonic models). It has caused
    me no end of hassle putting the problem right and dealing with
    disgruntled customers.

    It may well be that the glitch has been solved now, but I just can't
    bring myself to trust it. BASIC DVDs are fine, but I'm not confident
    about complicated stuff.

    GRAEME ALDOUS
    Yorkshire
     
    Teeafit, Jun 13, 2006
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  9. rghenderson

    rghenderson Guest

    What would you guys think about using Liquid for editing and then
    getting adobe encore dvd for authoring. I'm assuming I could use edited
    footage from liquid, obivously there might not be a nice flow between
    the programs but it would save me a few $$$.
    Your thoughts?
     
    rghenderson, Jun 13, 2006
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  10. rghenderson

    Rockinsax Guest

    why wouldn't you be able to use video edited in another program? all
    you have to do is render it as an mp2 file.

    It's what I plan on doing. I use Avid XDV and will be getting Adobe
    encore. I had gotten Sonic Reel DVD, but with what our IT guys do with
    XP all it would do was crash the system. so I edit with Avid on one
    system, and will be authoring on another system, to free up resources.
     
    Rockinsax, Jun 13, 2006
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  11. rghenderson

    nappy Guest

    To what advantage? Your work flow will be smoother if you simply go with the
    entire package.
     
    nappy, Jun 13, 2006
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  12. rghenderson

    nappy Guest


    Sat with an editor for four hours last week with Liquid. Tony doesn't know
    me and is simply a Pinnacle supporter.
    I do not recommend ANY product that you 'might' be able to use.
     
    nappy, Jun 13, 2006
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  13. rghenderson

    Spex Guest

    First of all you should just flush Avid/Pinnacle Liquid from your mind.
    You will do far better with the Adobe production suite of software.
    Adobe is supported by many 3rd party hardware and plugin manufacturers
    which may be of interest further down the line. I would advise very
    strongly against getting caught in the closed shop of Avid.

    Liquid was a reasonable product several years ago when Fast first
    developed it. Since then Pinnacle got their grubby hands on it and it
    has languished with a very poor interface that is in desperate need of
    bringing into the 21st C. Avid have done nothing to it other than put
    their branding on it.

    Premiere Pro2.0 has undergone a massive transformation. Adobe has woken
    up and got serious about their NLE. It has little or nothing in common
    with the derided application of yore. The Adobe PS offers extremely
    good integration between all applications in the suite. There are some
    huge time savings to be had with intelligent use of the integrated
    approach of the suite.

    You will shoot yourself in the foot on many different levels if you buy
    Liquid.

    If you are primarily a DVD authoring shop I would strongly urge you
    consider Final Cut Studio on the Mac. DVD Studio Pro is an awesome
    application and to find a superior product you'd have to sell your house
    and buy Scenarist.

    Wit the Mac now being a PC you can boot easily into windows if you have
    a lot of PC software that you utilise.

    Avoid Liquid....
     
    Spex, Jun 13, 2006
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  14. rghenderson

    Spex Guest

    Its worth pointing out that TonyP boasts to his clients that he uses
    Avid. But in fact as we all know he uses Liquid. What for we don't
    know...or care.

    He is a well known A grade Pinnacle BS artist on this newsgroup.
     
    Spex, Jun 13, 2006
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  15. rghenderson

    nappy Guest

    unless it is 12 year old scotch.
     
    nappy, Jun 13, 2006
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  16. rghenderson

    nappy Guest

    kinda funny.. I suppose that when Avid bought Pinnacle there were thousands
    of new 'Avid' suites overnight . Can't blame him for tryin'
     
    nappy, Jun 13, 2006
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  17. You're wrong. He uses ///Fast

    :)

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 13, 2006
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  18. rghenderson

    Bernie Guest

    Indeed - avoid Avid Liqud
     
    Bernie, Jun 13, 2006
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  19. rghenderson

    TonyP Guest

    While I agree with nappy on some things (I still think that the choices
    on PC are far greater than on Mac), his knocking anything Pinnacle is
    where I disagree. With Liquid, you were always able to make DVD's from
    the timeline before Premiere got the idea. And the stability for me has
    been just fine. Oh, there have been problems, but what NLE does not have
    them? It's a matter of personal preference in use. The end result is all
    the really matters along with making the clients happy.
     
    TonyP, Jun 14, 2006
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  20. rghenderson

    TonyP Guest

    You can use Liquid just fine. And if the editor was ok, then you would
    realize that it is an excellent editing program. And you don't know me
    either. I am not a Pinnacle supporter. I speak from experience where you
    don't. And for the OP's message, I said that he "might" be able to do
    it. For basic DVD authoring, it works just fine.
    Please try and follow along.
     
    TonyP, Jun 14, 2006
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