B&H and Adorama Closed!

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by carrigman, Oct 22, 2005.

  1. carrigman

    carrigman Guest

    I'm just back from a trip to New York City where high on my agenda was a
    visit to B&H to buy a Canon lens. Off I went one morning only to find the
    store closed for the week. No word of explanation. No matter, there was
    always Adorama. So I hightailed it down to West 18th Street only to find
    myself, together with a bunch of other bemused photographers, staring at
    shuttered windows and a notice saying they too were closed for the week!

    All to do with a Jewish holiday, I understand. Surely they have enough
    non-Jewish employees to cater for the rest of us? I didn't see any other
    major New York stores closed for religious reasons and I think it is
    outrageous for these two firms to treat its customers like this.

    John,
    Ireland
     
    carrigman, Oct 22, 2005
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    Mark² Guest

    All you needed to do was go to B&H's web-site...where a sign would be shown,
    warning about their holiday schedule, which includes lengthy religious
    observances during October.
     
    Mark², Oct 22, 2005
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  3. carrigman

    [BnH] Guest

    Obviously you have not been to any moslem countries :)
    Try looking for a local delicacy during the month of Ramadhan and I can say
    to you .. good luck :D

    =bob=
     
    [BnH], Oct 22, 2005
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  4. carrigman

    Mark² Guest

    "Outrageous to treat their customers like..." what??? What have they done
    to you except to expose your poor planning? One visit to B&H's website and
    you'd have seen their huge sign noting their closed days this month. B&H
    and Adorama have the best reputations in the industry. What is outrageous
    is your disregard of their right to honor their religious beliefs through
    the conduct their own business.
     
    Mark², Oct 22, 2005
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  5. carrigman

    carrigman Guest

    The closure of these stores during the normal business week is not something
    one expects and so the need to check their websites was not that obvious.

    All other major stores in NYC seemed to be operating as normal. And surely
    many of them are Jewish owned?

    Anyhow, I'll know better next time.

    John
     
    carrigman, Oct 22, 2005
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  6. carrigman

    carrigman Guest

    None with the reputations of these two firms and none with the range of
    stock, as far as I know.

    John
     
    carrigman, Oct 22, 2005
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    Charles Guest

    The other major stores in New York are open because most Jews are not
    of that Orthodox persuasion like most of those employed at B&H and
    Adorama. And no, they don't have enough employees who are not of that
    Orthodox persuasion to keep the stores open. That is the way it is, no
    point in being outraged. Those stores have operated this way for many
    years and are able to stay in business despite their long closings.
     
    Charles, Oct 22, 2005
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  8. carrigman

    Guest Guest

    Yup, and things have changed. These businesses have opened for
    business on Sundays, or not, or have passed from the scene. The
    same with B&H. I wanted to order a flash and lens from B&H but
    was unable to because of their holidays. I purchased them from a
    competitor. This will either adversely affect B&H or not. Depending
    on the numbers of people who do the same. Free country and all
    that. I suppose people of the Jewish faith are a little aggravated
    when Christian businesses close down for a week or more during the
    Christmas holidays. These posts about B&H and Adorama have
    illustrated why I wish religious beliefs were mandated by law to be
    *PRIVATE*. No public expression of religion allowed. Expression
    of "religion" has caused more pain, death, and suffering than all
    other causes in the history of mankind.
     
    Guest, Oct 22, 2005
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  9. carrigman

    carrigman Guest

    Thanks for the explanation, Charles.

    John.
     
    carrigman, Oct 22, 2005
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  10. carrigman

    carrigman Guest

    Very true, Rita. I was worried about getting the lens through Customs&
    Excise. What if my bags were checked and the lens discovered? I'd have to
    pay a hefty tax on it. I arrived back in Ireland at 6am local time this
    morning and guess what.....there was no Customs check! I could have brought
    in a raft of stuff and walked straight through. Which makes the stores
    closures all the more annoying. Grrrr.

    John
     
    carrigman, Oct 22, 2005
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  11. carrigman

    Steve Kramer Guest

    Rosh Hashana (New Year' Day) and Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) are
    the two most serious of all the Jewish holy days, especially Yom Kippur
    which is the only sad holiday during the entire year. These are followed
    by Sukkos, the happy festival of the new harvest. As B&H is owned by
    very religious Hassidic Jews, and most of their staff are also Hassidic
    Jews, they close for their holy days.
    Actually..... they don't.
    Quite a few shops in New York actually close EVERY Sunday! Can you
    imagine! EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY! Makes it very difficult for customers who
    work Mon-Saturday!
    I think you will find that most Vietnamese markets close for several
    days at the end of Jan/begining of February for Tet. The Chinese shops
    close for Chinese New Year (roughly same as Tet although often a day or
    two different.) Almost all of Japan shuts down for a week for 'Obon'
    during the summer months. For what it's worth, you can shop at B&H on
    Christmas Day if you came, or Easter Sunday. And had you looked at their
    calendar on their web page, they list all of their schedule for the
    month of October and you would have saved yourself a trip.

    Steve Kramer
    "PhotoEnvisions" Freelance Photography
    Chiang Mai, Thailand
    http://www.photoenvisions.com
     
    Steve Kramer, Oct 22, 2005
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  12. I am sympathetic to John's disappointment.

    If New York City is, what, only 25% Jewish, you'd think a big
    company like B&H would have enough trustworthy and competent staff to serve
    its broader customer base.

    On the other hand, B&H is not alone. My son tells me that the A&P
    grocery store across the river in Hoboken closes on Saturday noon before
    Easter, and doesn't open again until Monday morning. You'd think that the
    only large grocery store in the little trendy town would want to better
    serve its customer base.

    Since I like B&H, I would be VERY disappointed if I made an effort to
    go there only to find it closed--for me, sometimes it's years between visits
    to NYC.

    Bill
     
    Bill in Alexandria, Oct 22, 2005
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    Jeremy Guest

    > wrote in message
    Oh, puleeze! Get off your friggin' soapbox. Where is it written that any
    business must remain open 24/7 just to accommodate YOU?
     
    Jeremy, Oct 22, 2005
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  14. I'm not a religious person myself, but I have a strong belief in the
    right of both businesses and consumers to operate as they see fit. If
    a business only wants to open its doors on alternate Tuesdays, then
    that's their right. Whether the market will support such a practice
    is another matter, but that's besides the point.

    Likewise, if I only buy from stores that are open on Sundays, have
    green walls, and have door chimes that play "Ode to Joy", that's my
    perogative as well. If that limits my choices, well, that's MY
    problem, not the store owners'.

    Since you're against public expression of religion, would you extend
    that to outlawing religious clothing, hairstyles, and jewelry? I'm
    just curious how far you're wanting to go with this.
     
    Scott Gardner, Oct 22, 2005
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    robie Guest

    do stores that you frequent close for christmas? does that bother you?
    private businesses are free to hold whichever hours they please....
    I believe the websites and publications of these stores advertise their
    holiday closings every year
     
    robie, Oct 22, 2005
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    jean Guest

    With your sense of rightness, I suppose you would have paid the taxes due
    voluntarily if you had purchased a lens ?

    Jean
     
    jean, Oct 22, 2005
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    Skip M Guest

    Imagine yourself to be a Muslim, shopping in NYC for the first time, and
    you've decided to go to Macy's. Much to your dismay, they are so
    inconsiderate as to be closed, and on December 25th, too!
     
    Skip M, Oct 22, 2005
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  18. You misread my comments.

     
    Bill in Alexandria, Oct 22, 2005
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  19. carrigman

    Cynicor Guest

    When I was there a week or two ago, they handed out a slip to everyone
    as they exited, listing which days they'd be closed in October. True,
    that only helps frequent visitors, but they did make an effort.

    As I first looked at the slip, I wondered if they could keep the place
    open with non-Jewish help, but I agree wholeheartedly. B&H is showing
    that at least for one store, it's not about the money. (And if you've
    ever been to B&H, you know that it's not just about the money.)
     
    Cynicor, Oct 22, 2005
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    Don Wiss Guest

    Actually in the Orthodox community there is a bit of disagreement about not
    working for the entire Sukkos period. All agree that they can't work at the
    beginning and end, but some feel it is okay to work in the middle. So in
    the middle days many take a middle position. They don't go into work, but
    they will do work at home. And then some do go into work on the middle
    days.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
     
    Don Wiss, Oct 22, 2005
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