B&W film vs. color film with zero saturation?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by richardsfault, May 6, 2004.

  1. B&W seems to be enjoying a comeback.

    I have recentky returned to the hobby after 20+ years.

    Back then, I shot and developed Tri-X and Plus-X.

    What are the differences between "real" B&W, C-41 B&W, and color
    scanned with zero saturation?
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    Alan Browne Guest



    Real B&W is ... well, real B&W! Fine, fine grain and detail and
    controlled contrasts... C-41 B&W scans well; but I have no problem so
    far scanning real B&W from T-max 100. Printing on a GP color photo
    printer does not yield those darkroom jey blacks, however. I'm not sure
    if any printers are really up to the task.

    If you have a dev kit, it is a 40 minute job from feeding the reels to
    hanging up the wet negatives. Scan the next day.

    De-saturating color works very well of course but for a given ISO is
    generally not as fine grained. Color negative film has exposure range
    similar to B&W.

    MO

    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, May 6, 2004
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  4. I've seen pretty darn good results from piezo setups! There is (or at least
    was) a market for Epson 1170s just for this purpose. I'm going to have to
    dust mine off and make the conversion one day...
    It's more fun, too. In my opinion of course. Not nearly as much as
    watching your print come up in the developer tray though! Another part of
    the fun is in trying various B&W films. So far my favorites are Tri-X and
    T-Max 100. T-Max 100 is kind of hard for me to focus on the enlarger
    though, even with a grain magnifier. It sucks getting old ;)

    Mike
     
    Mike Lipphardt, May 6, 2004
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    Bill Hilton Guest

    From: richardsfault
    The way I see it the two biggest advantages of shooting b/w over shooting color
    and converting is 1) you have a wider tonal range with black/white so you can
    capture more shadow detail and/or highlight detail than with, say, scanned
    slide film. And 2) if you know the Zone System and process your film yourself
    you can increase/decrease the contrast during development, giving you a lot
    more control than with color film.

    The biggest advantage of shooting color is that you have the both options open,
    color or black/white.

    If you want to do much of this in Photoshop you should learn to use the Channel
    Mixer as it gives you much more control than simply desaturating or converting
    to Grayscale.

    If the scene has a limited contrast range to begin with then converting color
    works OK, but if you want to control the contrast better and have a wider
    contrast scene you're better off starting with black/white, I feel.

    Bill
     
    Bill Hilton, May 6, 2004
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