Bad HDR shot of the day

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by RichA, May 27, 2011.

  1. RichA

    Rich Guest

    Oh, good. Another many square mile array that will provide maybe 1/100
    the power of the average nuke plant. At least the "pro-alternative
    energy" liberals won't suddenly have to object to it like they did the
    offshore wind turbines in Martha's Vinyard.
     
    Rich, May 30, 2011
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    But they will probably object to the construction of the thermally
    powered 'spinning reserve' required to maintain the power supply
    between wind gusts.

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, May 30, 2011
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  3. RichA

    tony cooper Guest

    I meant to ask...what do you think of the two versions? It's your
    photo. Which do you prefer?
     
    tony cooper, May 30, 2011
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    PeterN Guest


    To me a landscape need not have an extraneous object. The entire scene
    itself can be interesting if done right. I am the first to admit that a
    lot of my own landscape images may need that "Indian in a red canoe," to
    add a center of interest. But, many do not need that extraneous object.
    As for HDR, I personally do not like the HDR effect, which can be an art
    form all by itself. I have already posted HDR images to the SI. In any
    that I posted I have used HDR simply to extend the dynamic range.
     
    PeterN, May 30, 2011
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  5. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    Sorry, that is an image of a tractor. I would have toned down the
    tractor and worked with the background to eliminate the haze. Rather
    than show an image of a tractor, it then becomes an image of a field,
    that happens to have a tractor in it.
     
    PeterN, May 30, 2011
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  6. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    I am pretty open minded when it comes to my stuff. I have several sets
    of multi-exposure shots of that tractor, taken from different angles
    that day. I am always prepared to return to an rework almost anything
    to see if I can reach a better result.
    That said, I felt the version with the darker overcast made for a more
    dramatic image of the entire scene, adding to the sense of desolation
    of the place, and it was one which I like.
    The version using your suggestion opened a different mindset for me, to
    emphasize the tractor, as opposed to the entire scene, and I find that
    pleasing as well, but I am still biased toward my initial version.
    ....but I could tone it down a hair. It's all an ongoing work without a
    final version yet.
     
    Savageduck, May 30, 2011
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  7. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    I don't see why you should feel any need to make an excuse for
    expressing an opinion. I have never seen any comment of yours that is
    intended to belittle and that is not an honest opinion.
     
    PeterN, May 30, 2011
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  8. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    Not to me he doesn't. No justification for comments required.
    Tony has his taste and opinions, and his comments on my work I find
    thought provoking. That can lead me in different directions. There are
    certainly times I could be aimed down a different path. Just another
    reason I enjoy the SI.
    It is also good to have a reasonably thick skin. ;-)

    ....and I won't add another shot of that tractor cluttering up all that
    open space.
     
    Savageduck, May 30, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    Yup! Almost all well intentioned comments some food for thinking,
    especially when they disagree with the POV in my images.

    I don't want to start a war, but I may very well have a thicker skin
    than you :)
    Peter
     
    PeterN, May 30, 2011
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    Paul Furman Guest

    What really does help is some foreground. That's why the tractor scene
    was more interesting than the distant Yosemite scene. The black and
    white Yosemite scene is full of mid-ground, not just an empty foreground.

    Here's a link that was posted in alt.photography with foreboding skies
    in Holland: http://www.hetijssellandschap.nl/
    I guess that's HDR? They have the blacks in the sky but don't seem to
    have that wiry-edged bright shadow detail that so many overdone HDR
    shots have, which looks so unreal. Interesting maybe but not real: surreal.

    The compositions in these Dutch landscapes are a bit jumbled but the use
    of foreground is dramatic and effective, especially for basically flat
    landscapes.
     
    Paul Furman, May 30, 2011
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  11. RichA

    tony cooper Guest

    I think you've interpreted the comments the wrong way. The image
    started out as a photograph of a tractor in a field. The comments
    were not about whether or not the tractor was needed, but where the
    emphasis should be placed in the processing.

    I commented about the initial composition saying that I'd either
    compose tighter on the tractor and make it a tractor shot or move back
    and make it a landscape shot with the tractor minimalized. I didn't
    say anything about needing the tractor in the shot. The HDR treatment
    of the tractor-only works well with the rest of the image looking more
    natural.

    I did say that a photograph does need a feature to be interesting (as
    opposed to a bunch of rocks and trees), but that doesn't mean it needs
    an extraneous object. I've seen some marvelous landscape shots taken
    in the desert, but they've featured a particular formation, cacti,
    sunrise/sunset, or other non-extraneous aspect.
     
    tony cooper, May 30, 2011
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    tony cooper Guest

    I really don't see that working. The tractor is too prominent in the
    image to make it an image of a field that happens to have a tractor in
    it. To make it that - which could work out very well - the photograph
    would have to have been taken with the photographer 50 to 100 yards
    back.

    However, we can't re-take the photograph unless this field and tractor
    happens to be in the Duck's back yard. What we can do is work on the
    processing with what we have.
     
    tony cooper, May 30, 2011
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  13. RichA

    tony cooper Guest


    It doesn't hurt to remind people that we do like their other stuff
    even though we are taking issue with one particular image. I'm
    sensitive to criticism of my images, and assume everyone else is.

    Typically, my reaction to criticism of my images is first thinking
    "Idiot! I like it better my way", and then I look again and start
    thinking "Hey, that might work better after all", or - at the very
    least - "I should have considered that".

    The only person I could never both pan and praise was Sisker. I never
    found one to praise.
     
    tony cooper, May 30, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    In some respects we are strangely of like mind. ;-)
     
    Savageduck, May 30, 2011
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    tony cooper Guest

    It's funny, but when someone says "That image is crap" about one of
    mine, I let it roll off and don't pay any attention. But, when they
    say "I like the image, but you should have..." and make a small
    correction, I bristle. I then start re-assessing the photo to force
    myself to view the correction as a neutral observer.
     
    tony cooper, May 30, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    Then you should be able to tolerate this;
    < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC1000_HDRw.jpg >
     
    Savageduck, May 30, 2011
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    George Kerby Guest

    George Kerby, May 30, 2011
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    Its amazing what a comma can do ..... :)

    " I have never seen any comment of yours that is intended to
    belittle, and that is not an honest opinion."

    Sorry, I couldn't resist.

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, May 30, 2011
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  19. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    That's strange, because of the San Andreas Fault running through
    Carrizo Plain just about the only thing that is level out there is Soda
    Lake.

    Take a look at what the an Andreas does to Hwy. 58 as it runs across Carrizo.
    It turns it into a real roller coaster.
    < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC0924w.jpg >
     
    Savageduck, May 30, 2011
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    PeterN Guest



    I try to pan or praise images, not people. (Except of course, if the
    people become obnoxious.)
     
    PeterN, May 30, 2011
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