Battery types for consumer DSLRs; 3rd party lenses?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by PossumTrot, Jul 14, 2007.

  1. PossumTrot

    PossumTrot Guest

    Thinking about retiring my Nikon 950 for a mid-range DSLR.

    Considering Nikon, Canon, or Olympus. The question of this day is: do any
    of the three NOT require proprietary batteries? Or maybe better said, can
    any of the three use standard NiMH AAs, either natively or in some kind of a
    holder?

    Am I correct in thinking that Nikon is the only one of the three that cannot
    use the full function of 3rd party lenses?
     
    PossumTrot, Jul 14, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Proprietry batteries will aloow you to get maximum performance out of your
    new camera.

    I always thought that batteries would be a problem, with my latest D-SLR I
    simply bought one extra original and two well known brand aftermarket
    batteries and have not had a problem. The four batteries give me at least
    2,000 shots, possibly as many as 3,000 before I need a recharge, they are
    light and will stay charged over a long period, I do also have an extra
    charger that will work off 100-240VAV or 10-24VDC so it is unlikely to be a
    problem.

    Any of the D-SLRs will use 3rd party lenses including Nikons, they just have
    to be the right type.
     
    Pete D, Jul 14, 2007
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  3. PossumTrot

    Guest Guest

    the pentax k100d uses aa batteries. keep in mind that a lithium ion
    battery can typically provide 1500-2000 pictures per charge. if you
    insist on aa batteries, some cameras can use them in a battery grip.
    where'd you get that idea? all nikon slrs and dslrs can use almost any
    nikon ai lens made in the last 30 years and earlier non-ai lenses can
    be modified to fit.

    the only issue is that the nikon d40 and d40x will only autofocus if
    the lens has an internal focus motor; otherwise, the lens works fine.
    other nikon cameras do not have this restriction. both nikon and sigma
    make lenses with an internal focus motor (over 40 from which to
    choose), and presumably tokina and tamron will update theirs.
     
    Guest, Jul 14, 2007
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  4. PossumTrot

    SMS Guest

    Most of the D-SLRs have a vertical grip that can use AA batteries as an
    option. The low-end Nikons do not have such a grip. Not sure about the
    Olympus, but you would not want an Olympus D-SLR anyway.

    I have the battery grip for my 20D. I could not imagine not having a
    vertical grip for portrait oriented shots. I had it on my film SLR as
    well. It's an extremely useful accessory. I tried it with AA cells once,
    since it came with an AA battery tray. It was okay, but the Li-Ion
    batteries are so superior in so many ways that it wasn't worth the
    hassle of AA cells (six of them, so you either need two chargers, or
    have to charge sequentially). The grip takes two Li-Ion packs, but will
    work with only one.
    Depends on which body you go for.
     
    SMS, Jul 14, 2007
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  5. PossumTrot

    Guest Guest

    and how do you know what his needs are??
    other people don't have a problem just turning the camera.
    but you fail to mention that it takes two lithium batteries requiring
    two lion chargers. or that there are 8 cell aa chargers. or that aa
    battery chargers are cheap.
     
    Guest, Jul 14, 2007
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  6. PossumTrot

    SMS Guest

    It's be very hard to imagine any reason to go the 4:3 route for a D-SLR,
    except for Live Preview.
    Clearly you've never used a vertical grip. It's very awkward to
    constantly be turning the camera and having the shutter release in the
    wrong place. This is why the demand for the vertical grips is so high
    that if the manufacturer doesn't sell one, some after-market company
    will step in (for popular D-SLRs anyway).
    As I explained, the grip will work with a single Li-Ion battery. One can
    be charged while the other is in use.
    Four good AA NiMH batteries cost about the same, as a good after-market
    Li-Ion battery.
     
    SMS, Jul 14, 2007
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    CoolPix Guest

    On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:30:03 -0700, "PossumTrot"
    Canon can use 6 AA batteries in the BG-E2 Grip, not sure why you would
    want to as the grip will hold 2 rechargeable batteries.
     
    CoolPix, Jul 14, 2007
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  8. PossumTrot

    Guest Guest

    maybe he wants live preview. or maybe there's some other feature he
    likes, such as the dust shaker. of all the dust shakers, the olympus
    one is the only one that is somewhat effective.
    wrong again.
    it doesn't seem to bother most people, seeing that i've yet to see
    anyone actually use an auxillary battery grip.
    demand is not high -- very few people actually buy them.
    nonsense. 4 aa batteries can be had for roughly $5 and a good
    after-market li-ion battery is nowhere near that. also, li-ion
    batteries are not created equal. some suck:

    <http://t5r.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/e1/clonetests.htm>
     
    Guest, Jul 14, 2007
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    Steve B Guest

    Plus the fact that modern AA NiMh like Eneloops and Hybrios also have low
    self-discharge and are guaranteed to last for 5 yrs, about twice that of
    Li-On.
     
    Steve B, Jul 14, 2007
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  10. No, you are wrong.

    jue
     
    Jürgen Exner, Jul 14, 2007
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  11. PossumTrot

    Pete D Guest

    If adding Pentax then the 55-200mm VR lens can be had cheaper in the Pentax
    with their 50-200mm, VR is not needed with K100D or K10D as stabilization is
    built into the body.
     
    Pete D, Jul 14, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    Guest, Jul 14, 2007
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  13. PossumTrot

    Pete D Guest

    You need to look at the verdict, they have pulled the original because there
    has been testing of the 50-200mm badged as a Samsung that is very good, may
    have got a bad couple of lenses. Mind you there is a couple of good non
    IS/VR/SR lenses that on the Pentaxes simply use the cameras inbuilt SR.

    Mind you I have a 70-300mm DG APO and it is pretty good except at the very
    long end, bit heavier than the 50-200 though.

    Cheers.

    Pete
     
    Pete D, Jul 14, 2007
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  14. PossumTrot

    Pete D Guest

    That is one lightweight VR lens, figures are pretty impressive too, the
    50-200mm Pentax is lighter of course at 260gm.

    LOL, my K10D with grip is a lot heavier than the D40 anyway.

    Cheers.

    Pete
     
    Pete D, Jul 14, 2007
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    Prometheus Guest

    I purchased the battery grip for my 350D but seldom use it, I find it
    makes the camera awkward in landscape orientation, but it is more
    comfortable in portrait orientation. If I used a camera mostly for
    portraits then the vertical grip would be a significant advantage.
    You might be able to charge one when you get back to base, and the
    second overnight whilst you sleep, I suspect very few photographers will
    not have a few hours downtime before or after sleeping.
     
    Prometheus, Jul 14, 2007
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    SMS Guest

    Four good 2700 AA NiMH batteries are about $13. Low-discharge, 2000 mAH
    Eneloop are $14 (these are Thomas Distributing prices.

    The Li-Ion price depends on the pack model, but for a 2000mAH/7.4V pack,
    I pay about $13.

    The AA battery trays are cute, but very few people use them as the
    hassle isn't worth it.
     
    SMS, Jul 14, 2007
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  17. PossumTrot

    SMS Guest

    LOL. So whether such a product is useful is based solely on whether or
    not you've ever seen someone using it..
    Let's see. For the D70, three companies spend considerable money in
    design, tooling, and fabrication of vertical grips, even though,
    according to you, few people would buy the product. You have a _lot_ to
    learn.
     
    SMS, Jul 14, 2007
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  18. PossumTrot

    Guest Guest

    absolutely. when i'm out and about, i see lots of slr cameras, but
    rarely, if ever, do i see one with a battery grip attached. i see the
    same thing when i go to photo workshops. i do see battery grips when i
    go to photo tradeshows, but those are at manufacturer's booths, not on
    the cameras of the attendees. i'm sure a few people use and enjoy the
    grips, but they are unquestionably not a commonly purchased accessory.


    you also neglect to mention that they add extra bulk and weight.
    consumers want smaller cameras -- just look at the rebel xti and
    d40/d40x.
     
    Guest, Jul 14, 2007
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    ASAAR Guest

    Wow, what are you doing here? Can you send me an autograph,
    Shrek?

    :)

    I can understand adding battery grips even if it's only for the
    'gripping'. But I've used flash brackets for the same purpose,
    using them with no flash attached because it makes it easier for me
    to carry and handle some cameras. They're also a lot cheaper than
    Canon's or Nikon's battery grips. But we don't know how many people
    you know that own DSLRs that don't own battery grips, so the fact
    that you know two that have added battery grips doesn't tell us more
    than we already know, which is basically that battery grips exist,
    and a very small percentage of people own and use them.

    BTW, less than two hours ago I walked into a Radio Shack, and the
    only reason I did so was to inquire about the battery grip in their
    streetside display window. It was for a Rebel XT (IIRC) and was
    made by Targus, not by Canon. I know that there are also some made
    for Nikon bodies that Nikon hasn't made any for, so I asked about
    those, and was told that they only had such products for Canon
    cameras because they don't sell any non-Canon DSLRs.
     
    ASAAR, Jul 14, 2007
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  20. PossumTrot

    SMS Guest

    One reason for the high sales of the grips, is precisely because of the
    bulk and weight they add.
     
    SMS, Jul 14, 2007
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