Become the teacher....

Discussion in 'Photography' started by May, Oct 4, 2007.

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    UC Guest

    UC, Oct 5, 2007
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    ggomezphoto Guest

    Just more words.

    ggomezphoto, Oct 5, 2007
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    ggomezphoto Guest

    Yes, I know. I heard the same thing from first year students, over
    and over and over again.

    It is a great excuse.

    ggomezphoto, Oct 5, 2007
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    VilleBill Guest

    ...... and the Grinch sat up on his mountain and waited for the Who's
    down in Whoville to awake to an empty Christmass.... no gifts.... no
    trees... all stolen away... But the Whos started singing and sharing
    their joy.... of being....
    just being alive in the day.

    Poor Grinch. No Cookie.

    Some people know and enjoy the richness in giving. Others do not. Sucked
    into the hate machine and lost to the light.

    Would this be a bad time to point out that the use of the bully pulpit
    on usenet is of itself a form of art?

    Nothing to see here.... move along.

    I wonder If Dr. Seuss used a typewrighter?

    BzzzzzzzzzzT!!!!!!!!! NOT ART!!!!!

    Perhaps it might be usefull to just stop trying to define "ART". [scare
    quotes intentional] by any method other than just saying it's a mater of
    personal preferance.

    It is or it isnt to you and thats it. Done deal.

    What a colossal waste of time and energy for one being to presume to
    tell another being what they should or should not be impacted by. "Art"
    forsooth. Photog Please!

    ..... Just some meanderings aboot by a lurking not yet photographer who
    bought a minolta 7000 at a yard sale with some lenses and a matched 2x
    multiplier and a set of extension tubes and some other stuff.... no
    users manual.... And went to a used book store and picked up a book
    entitled "SHOOT". It strikes me as just the ticket for my kind of mind.

    And yes. I agree. This could be a beter place to come to learn were it
    not for personality dissorders messing up the exchange of information.

    VilleBill, Oct 5, 2007
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    Not4wood Guest

    Because its called class to give back to the Art.

    I also learned through trial and error, taking a class here and there and
    then finally getting a job in a small Photo Studio. Being published in
    Newspapers, in house brochures and magazines. Learning by watching and
    listening to others. The knowledge you/we all have is not restricted and
    owned by anyone. It is meant to be shared, to teach someone else what you
    have learned is an honor and a gift. Not all of us have the ability to be
    able to teach, and I would call the Art of Teaching another highly formed
    Skill. I have taught only a little and I am proud to be able to say that I
    was able to influence a couple of people to let them create. I am not
    saying giving all your secrets away.

    Whether you want to accept it or not, Photography can be Art. If its not,
    then why would the Getty Museum have a complete building dedicated to
    showing Photographs if they didn't think they were Art??? My wife and I
    were there (California this past July) and walked thru several of the
    buildings. Or do you think you are above or know better than the people at
    the Getty Museum??

    I get the impression without seeing any of your work, but reading what has
    transpired you seem to be in denial that anything you do can even be
    considered Art??

    Just a fast comment about something that you wrote that didn't make any
    sense at all. "Photography is not created by Mans hand but by machine"???
    Then who stood there in the extreme weather conditions in my small stupid
    darkroom in my parents old attic developing negatives and printing using an
    old enlarger???? It was my hand burning and dodging, my hand rinsing and
    then hanging them to dry. Someone who paints sceneries with oils or water
    color sits in there chair and looks over the scene that they want, adding in
    or taking out what they seem to think would make a better creation. Adding
    in a tree or bird here and there makes this work fiction doesn't it? Why do
    you think this is acceptable as to be classified as art and not waiting for
    the great lighting conditions or colors of the foliage for the photo to not?
    Hard work in either case to me.

    Not4wood, Oct 5, 2007
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    Not4wood Guest

    Hmmm, to killfile some who has so much anger will let this UC influence
    newbies. By watching and preventing UC from giving his/her anger/hate
    information I feel is more important.

    Why should we try and become the Teacher?? Because its class to give back
    to the Art! You take something, you give it back, thats the nature of life.

    UC has to much hate to go unchecked in such a large forum as this Newsgroup.
    Killfile this person and UC will go ranting and maybe preventing one person
    from learning or creating another Shot. Only you can prevent TROLLS.

    You will always find someone like UC. I was a Photographer in a previous
    career, but in Construction where I am now you will always find someone who
    never will take on an apprentice for fear of that this new person will
    replace him. Wont share in the knowledge, will not explain or even go as
    far as someone who I ran into who said, "My way with me, I dont care if you
    learned this faster or safer you will do it my way only". An apprentice
    will learn from many people along the way, whats better, whats safer, whats
    faster and this gives us a large knowledge base of what to do and what to
    NOT do. Being with someone who is so ignorant is actually a true learning
    experience. I apprenticed for four years and those days were the most
    interesting of all. Yes, it was my second apprenticeship but as a
    Photographers Apprentice I didn't get to work with as many Photographers as
    I would have liked.

    Not4wood, Oct 5, 2007
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : In article <>, UC
    : says...
    : >
    : > I have 45 years of experience.
    : And all you have to show for it is a bad attitude.

    Remember that great New Yorker cartoon? Two dogs are engaged in a
    conversation. One of them, sitting at a computer terminal, says to the other:
    "On the Internet nobody knows you're a dog."

    For all we know, UC is a snotty 15 year old.

    Robert Coe, Oct 5, 2007
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    ggomezphoto Guest

    UC has a narcissistic personality disorder.

    "Narcissistic personality disorder is a serious emotional disturbance
    characterized by a grandiose, or extremely exaggerated, sense of self-
    importance. Individuals with this disorder lack empathy for other
    people but need constant admiration from them, Although people with
    narcissistic personality disorder have an exaggerated image of their
    own importance, they have vulnerable self-esteems and often don't like
    themselves. Therefore, they seek attention that confirms their
    grandiosity. When feedback doesn't validate their exaggerated image,
    they tend to lash out or withdraw."

    If people ignore his postings, or if they consistently respond with
    his own words ("Get the **** out of here") over and over again, we can
    expect an extinction burst, where his abuse will escalate in the
    extreme before it levels off and then recedes. The group would have
    to be consistent, as intermittent reinforcement (which he gets now)
    only leads to even more grandiosity.

    If he was fifteen, it would be easy. I don't think we could be that

    ggomezphoto, Oct 5, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    I'm inclined to agree, although other disorders can produce similar
    behavioural patterns. I know people like this IRL, and they can be a
    right pain in the arse.
    I don't think you're going to achieve a coordinated response like that
    on Usenet. Why are you still engaging him in discussion? As long as
    you respond in any form you're validating his continued participation.
    Attempts at reasoning won't achieve anything.
    Rob Morley, Oct 5, 2007
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    ggomezphoto Guest

    Out of sheer boredom.

    His words mean nothing to me in terms of my work, or my views. I like
    to rage against any authority, or in his case, supposed authority.

    ggomezphoto, Oct 5, 2007
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    May Guest

    Killfiling anyone won't prevent them from coming back under a new
    May, Oct 5, 2007
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    dadiOH Guest

    Keep trying, you'll improve.



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    Rob Morley Guest

    But that would be an admission that he's desperate for attention, or a
    common troll.
    Rob Morley, Oct 5, 2007
  14. Give back? He didn't take anything.
    Randall Ainsworth, Oct 5, 2007
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    UC Guest

    I have done so, but not so much to lazy bastards who want it all
    handed to them on a platter. Tell you what...I'll give you one of my
    most profound secrets, right here, right now...

    When I take photographs of people, especially women, I ask them to
    close their eyes for a few seconds before I take the photo. This does
    several things.

    First, when the eyes are closed the pupils dilate because of the
    lowered light intensity reaching the eye. Large pupils are sexy.

    Secondly, removing visual stimulation from the brain can often give a
    more relaxed face.

    Thirdly, when the eyes are opened after being closed they have to
    focus afresh, and doing that gives an interesting expression to the

    Now, what do you say? Try this trick, which I guarantee you won't find
    in ANY photography book anywhere, and see if I'm not right.
    Right, but I have ZERO respect for people who expect to be spoon-fed
    how to be a wedding photographer or pro on this web site. What ever
    happened to individual initiative?
    I am an excellent teacher. I worked in a retail photo shop for many
    years and I had to teach people the differences between various
    products and show them how to use them. I sometimes went to people's
    homes and set up darkrooms on location. I had VERY loyal customers.
    But you see, they were SPENDING MONEY....
    **** no....
    Where you gonna put 'em? In the dairy case at the supermarket?
    Photography isn't 'art' like painting or sculpture. That's why it has
    its own name: 'photography'.
    Not by ME. Others might, but that's their own mistake.
    Do you perhaps recall that there was a lens involved at any stage of
    your work?????
    UC, Oct 5, 2007
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    Cats Guest

    One would assume you posted links to what you consider your *best*
    work. If that's the case I can happily pass on the rest. If you
    posted links to what you consider average or poor work example of your
    work, why did you bother?
    Cats, Oct 5, 2007
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    UC Guest

    Not necessarily. These were recent photographs for a project I am
    working on. They do not represent my all-time best work, simply a
    small sample of recent work. That's all.
    UC, Oct 5, 2007
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    Cats Guest


    The abuse and negativity you regularly dish out here suggest you don't
    have the first idea about how to encourage let alone how to teach.
    Cats, Oct 5, 2007
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    UC Guest

    Not necessarily. These were recent photographs for a project I am
    working on. They do not represent my all-time best work, simply a
    small sample of recent work. That's all. I am working on documenting
    some of the oldest and most decrepit things in my home town. I like
    old stuff. It has character. Some of the things I have photographed
    have been torn down or partly removed since I started this project.
    Here is one:

    Isn't the unevenness of the roof interesting?

    I have tried to make them photographically interesting rather than
    being mere documents. You can surely understand I am not simply trying
    to make "pretty pictures"....
    UC, Oct 5, 2007
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    UC Guest

    I behave differently in person. On the internet I'm a rascal.
    UC, Oct 5, 2007
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