Become the teacher....

Discussion in 'Photography' started by May, Oct 4, 2007.

  1. You'd need to.
    It would be remarkaly difficult for you to stay out of teh casualty
    department if you carried your usenet persona into real life.
     
    \(not quite so\) Fat Sam, Oct 5, 2007
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  2. May

    UC Guest

    Right. That's why I do it only here. I'm extraordinarily charming in
    person. I even kiss puppies!
     
    UC, Oct 5, 2007
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  3. May

    Rob Morley Guest

    You're a deluded fool - /everyone/ thinks you're a tedious twat.
     
    Rob Morley, Oct 5, 2007
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  4. May

    UC Guest

    I said IN PERSON, dumbass!
     
    UC, Oct 5, 2007
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  5. Please tell me you don't take charming* pictures of them poking their heads
    out of wellinton boots.

    *the word charming is used with a very sarcastic tongue thrust firmly in
    cheek.
     
    \(not quite so\) Fat Sam, Oct 5, 2007
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    Not4wood Guest

    LOL, UC you crack me up!

    Any Portrait Photographer worth there weight, will have the subject close
    there eyes for all of what you said and add one more. When a person closes
    the eyes it also slows the reflex action and there timing. This way, they
    wont blink when the flash goes off. I/we have been doing this since the Mid
    70's when I was doing Weddings. No surprise there. But, for some reason a
    lot of people still dont know about this and you are right its not in any
    Photo Book I have ever seen and certainly not taught in the Photography
    Industrial Factory pushouts. My meaning by this, I've seen a lot of so
    called graduates of one very large Photography School that pumps out clones.
    Every Portfolio, every student is exactly the same. To me it looked like
    there was one person outside handing the people the one portfolio and when
    they came out they handed it back to the same person to be reused. I have
    had the opportunity to hire new employees (when I was the Manager of a small
    Portrait Studio) and I've seen my share of people that have been pumped out
    of this factory. They were not taught creativity or anything worth while.
    To me it looked like they were taught some of the basics and when I had them
    go into the Studio Darkroom to print they were barely able to handle it and
    I was very surprised.

    Its called Photography, why are you insulted by this name? Its also called
    Oil Painting, Water Color, Etchings, Sketching, Wood Carving, Furniture
    Making, Cabinetry, Carpentry, Architecture, Carvings and Sculpture. Its the
    name of the trade or skill. Art is a by product. You can and will find
    articles of the above mentioned and I'm sure I left a lot out, that can not
    be called Art because they are not good enough. Hopefully only the best of
    the best will be the elite and then only a small number of them will be
    called Art. I have seen a lot, and btw a lot of the Photos hanging in the
    Getty Museum were only mediocre at best and in my opinion weren't or
    shouldn't be hanging in a Museum or actually not even in a Gallery Showing.
    Yes, I did have one Gallery Showing a very long time ago.

    Wanna be a rascal, go ahead. But it also looks like your anger and your
    tude are putting a lot of people off. Calm down a little and we can all
    have a much better time. :þ

    This discussion of what is Art is probably one of the finest on the net
    anywhere. All of the Pros and Cons all have there merit but by your anger
    and self importance you are making people point there anger at you and push
    you out. Yes there are a lot of newbies here and are also trying to get
    into the business. Why not, when I was doing the exact same thing I had
    found a Studio that would give me a job and they showed me patience and let
    me learn on my own. You are not the only one who paid there dues and what
    makes you think that there is no one else on this newsgroup who is or was a
    Professional with quality results?

    Not4wood
     
    Not4wood, Oct 5, 2007
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  7. So, no-one EVER helped you?? how selfish a viewpoint you have on the
    world...

    Consider these thoughts ... "all that is not given is lost" & "it is not
    what you get in this world, it is what you give away that you will be
    remembered for"....

    kk
     
    www.kevinkienlein.com, Oct 6, 2007
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  8. May

    Rob Morley Guest

    Maybe you missed the 'deluded' bit.
     
    Rob Morley, Oct 6, 2007
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  9. May

    UC Guest

    That's a different reason. I did not know that. It's good to know.
    I discovered it myself.
    Of course not. The function of schools is to feed the egos of the
    teachers, who want nithing more than to reproduce themslves
    asexually....

    It is difficult to 'teach' creativity because creativity is
    essentially not following what you were taught...
    I would think that darkroom should be mastered before anything else.
    Right! Why do photgraphers want to be called 'artists'?
    Right. So is pitching, catching, hitting a fastball, etc.
    'Art' is not something 'better' than something that is not 'art'.
    'Art' is a type of human activity and a product of the human hand.
    Photographs that are of very high quality are no more 'art' than poor,
    insipid, trite ones. Stop using 'art' to mean something good. IT
    ISN'T!
    I was a professional only for a few short years. I did some free-lance
    magazine photography, then slide-show photgraphy (some of that was
    excellent in my opinion) and then worked doing industrial photography
    of White-Westinghouse appliances. I never made much money at it...and
    I never wanted to be a pro photgrapher anyway...except maybe doing a
    little magazine work on the side...
     
    UC, Oct 6, 2007
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  10. May

    UC Guest

    There is a difference between wanting help and wanting the whole thing
    handed to you...
     
    UC, Oct 6, 2007
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  11. May

    UC Guest

    "Cartman: Ma'am, I need to clear out your giggling stoners and your
    drum-cricle hippies RIGHT NOW, or soon they're gonna attract something
    much worse!

    Elderly Woman: Ooooo.what's that?

    Cartman: The college know-it-all hippies. "
     
    UC, Oct 6, 2007
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  12. May

    UC Guest

    Hell no...
     
    UC, Oct 6, 2007
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  13. May

    Cats Guest

    <snip>

    So long as it's nothing to do with what was given away in the Tom
    Learer song -"I got it from Agnes". Well I guess you would be
    remembered but maybe not as you'd wish to be. :)
     
    Cats, Oct 6, 2007
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  14. LOL... kk

     
    www.kevinkienlein.com, Oct 6, 2007
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  15. May

    Cats Guest

    No, rascals have an sense of humour, and here you are totally
    humourless. All you do is slag people of or blow your own trumpet.
     
    Cats, Oct 6, 2007
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  16. May

    >G Guest

    he can bend over that far? I didn't know that...

    --
     
    >G, Oct 6, 2007
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  17. May

    Robert Coe Guest

    : > UC,
    : >
    : > >"I PAID for it with sweat and blood and film and developer. Why the ****
    : > >should I give it away?"
    : >
    : > Because its called class to give back to the Art.
    :
    : I have done so, but not so much to lazy bastards who want it all
    : handed to them on a platter. Tell you what...I'll give you one of my
    : most profound secrets, right here, right now...
    :
    : When I take photographs of people, especially women, I ask them to
    : close their eyes for a few seconds before I take the photo. This does
    : several things.
    :
    : First, when the eyes are closed the pupils dilate because of the
    : lowered light intensity reaching the eye. Large pupils are sexy.
    :
    : Secondly, removing visual stimulation from the brain can often give a
    : more relaxed face.
    :
    : Thirdly, when the eyes are opened after being closed they have to
    : focus afresh, and doing that gives an interesting expression to the
    : eyes.
    :
    : Now, what do you say? Try this trick, which I guarantee you won't find
    : in ANY photography book anywhere, and see if I'm not right.

    Your assertion that large pupils are preferable is pretty generally accepted,
    I think. But many would state that preference the other way around, i.e. that
    undilated ("larger") pupils are preferable because they show more of the eye
    color. That's one reason why some portrait photographers prefer available
    light. Moreover, undilated pupils reduce redeye; that's why on-camera redeye
    reduction involves shining a light at the subject ahead of the shutter
    release.

    : > I also learned through trial and error, taking a class here and there and
    : > then finally getting a job in a small Photo Studio. Being published in
    : > Newspapers, in house brochures and magazines. Learning by watching and
    : > listening to others. The knowledge you/we all have is not restricted and
    : > owned by anyone.
    :
    : Right, but I have ZERO respect for people who expect to be spoon-fed
    : how to be a wedding photographer or pro on this web site. What ever
    : happened to individual initiative?

    I think you radically misperceive this newsgroup and its people. Most of them
    seem pretty knowledgeable; and of those who have shown us their work, most
    appear to be every bit as good as you are. Just as others can benefit from
    your clever technique for getting a subject's eyes to dilate, you could also
    benefit from their good ideas and constructive criticism. Sharing is what this
    newsgroup is about. There's a trickle of silly questions from clueless
    newbies, but even the newbies are displaying a willingness to learn. Why don't
    you try to help them and let others try to help you?

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Oct 6, 2007
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : > <SNIP>
    : >
    : > > You have seen 1/100,000 of 1% of my work.
    : >
    : > One would assume you posted links to what you consider your *best*
    : > work. If that's the case I can happily pass on the rest. If you
    : > posted links to what you consider average or poor work example of your
    : > work, why did you bother?
    :
    : Not necessarily. These were recent photographs for a project I am
    : working on. They do not represent my all-time best work, simply a
    : small sample of recent work. That's all. I am working on documenting
    : some of the oldest and most decrepit things in my home town. I like
    : old stuff. It has character. Some of the things I have photographed
    : have been torn down or partly removed since I started this project.
    : Here is one:
    :
    : http://www.photographyboard.net/images/zoom/zoom-photo/viewsize/Park.jpg
    :
    : Isn't the unevenness of the roof interesting?
    :
    : I have tried to make them photographically interesting rather than
    : being mere documents. You can surely understand I am not simply trying
    : to make "pretty pictures"....

    Hmmmm..... There's no exif data, but it appears that you used a telephoto lens
    to bring the columns closer together and to emphasize the crookedness of the
    roofline. IOW, you manipulated the recording of the image to achieve a
    particular visual effect that you wanted. What do you call the result of that
    manipulation? Might one not describe it as "art"?

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Oct 6, 2007
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  19. May

    UC Guest

    'Willingness to learn' at whose expense? Teachers get PAID to teach.
     
    UC, Oct 6, 2007
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  20. May

    UC Guest

    Right. I used a 560 mm f/6.8 Leitz Telyt, on a Leicaflex SL-2. B&W
    film.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Leica-R-Lens-6-...goryZ297QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

    http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/25...90259QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting

    The 400mm Telyt is shown here:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/LEICA-400mm-LEN...oryZ3341QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
    Absolutely NOT.
     
    UC, Oct 6, 2007
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