Become the teacher....

Discussion in 'Photography' started by May, Oct 4, 2007.

  1. May

    UC Guest

    Well, there is something to that. It is really irritating to see some
    kid fresh out of art school who hasn't a clue spout off about what big
    things he's going to do in photography, without having made any
    connections whatsoever with the local or regional market, and while
    expressing complete disdain for doing the kind of work for which there
    is some real demand. I remember visiting a local camera shop and there
    was some twenty-something female talking about equipment, saying she
    wanted to be a photojournalist, but dismissing all the reasonable
    suggestions that were brought up by the sales staff, such as working
    for a suburban paper or doing sports photography. She thought she
    could walk onto the staff of National Geo and go to Italy or someplace
    like that to do her work...

    It was infuriating to listen to this imbecile..
     
    UC, Oct 8, 2007
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  2. May

    Chris Guest

    That attitude is NOT unique to photography ;-) I think people, in general,
    have lost the concept of "having to pay one's dues" before they get to
    achieve their goals.

    Chris...
     
    Chris, Oct 8, 2007
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  3. Everybody wants to start at the top.
    There was a guy who bought a competing studio back when I was in
    business. He came from photojournalism and did an outstanding job of
    black-and-white photography (formerly employed by a large San Francisco
    paper). But his portraiture skills were limited.
    His studio booked a school dance. And while he was setting up for the
    dance, he thought about how he was an artiste and was above such
    demeaning work.
    But as the evening progressed, he looked over at his wife who was
    collecting the money and noticed the box overflowing money. It was then
    that he realized this wasn't that bad of work after all.
    Imbeciles abound in photography.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Oct 8, 2007
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  4. May

    UC Guest

    Yes. even (GASP!) among pros.
     
    UC, Oct 8, 2007
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  5. May

    UC Guest

    Right, so it's not sour grapes when someone who has been in the field
    for a few decades feels more than a little irritated at someone who
    wants to start at the top. If I couldn't do it, and I had plenty of
    skill, why do they think they can? And then you DO see them fail...and
    it's really funnier than hell. I once worked for a commercial
    photographer who split off from a bigger studio...I remember seeing
    him a few years later buying sheet film in a camera shop, and he was
    not able to buy all the film he needed because he had little
    money...his charge account had been closed...I see he's now doing
    weddings....and he was a VERY good commercial photographer!
     
    UC, Oct 8, 2007
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  6. May

    dadiOH Guest

    Why in the world should that infuriate you? And why call her an
    imbecile...naive, yes but imbecile??

    I'd suggest you ask your doc to up your Qualude dosage but they aren't
    made anymore.

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    dadiOH, Oct 8, 2007
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  7. May

    UC Guest

    Well, you should have seen and heard this spoiled little rich kid
    talk. Her daddy just put her through school...and she wants to be a
    'photojournalist' but she had no idea what a 'photojournalist'
    does...but she didn't want to do anything like photograph people for a
    newspaper....or sports...what the **** does she think a
    'photojournalist' does?
     
    UC, Oct 8, 2007
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  8. May

    May Guest

    I know as soon as you all see this photo, I'll be blasted in someway.
    It seems that a lot of the people on this board do like to critize
    just about everything I post. My feeling on that is that is better you
    blast me than someone else who is just trying to learn something new
    here. And I'll continue to mis-spell words on occassion, but save us
    all the reading about grammer corrections & limit your comments to
    content please.

    The photo that this link leads to is of a study I did in light and
    shadow. It isn't one of my best, but I do like the outcome of this
    photo. Most of the light & shadow studies I did were done in black &
    white. It was taken on a Canon SLR with 400 ISO Kodak film. Do you
    have any suggestions on content, cropping or conversion to sepia/b&w?
     
    May, Oct 9, 2007
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  9. May

    May Guest

    May, Oct 9, 2007
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  10. May

    dadiOH Guest

    I tried it B&W, didn't care for it. Tried sepia which I preferred to
    B&W or original.

    I also like it better when both gamma and saturation are decreased a
    bit.

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    dadiOH, Oct 9, 2007
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  11. May

    Robert Coe Guest

    : I know as soon as you all see this photo, I'll be blasted in someway.
    : It seems that a lot of the people on this board do like to critize
    : just about everything I post. My feeling on that is that is better you
    : blast me than someone else who is just trying to learn something new
    : here. And I'll continue to mis-spell words on occassion, but save us
    : all the reading about grammer corrections & limit your comments to
    : content please.
    :
    : The photo that this link leads to is of a study I did in light and
    : shadow. It isn't one of my best, but I do like the outcome of this
    : photo. Most of the light & shadow studies I did were done in black &
    : white. It was taken on a Canon SLR with 400 ISO Kodak film. Do you
    : have any suggestions on content, cropping or conversion to sepia/b&w?

    Since you ask …

    I think it's too tightly cropped, and the cutesy way it's printed lacks
    relevance to the subject matter. If the green patches are real, they manage to
    appear fake by being too blue. And how did you persuade the sun to cast those
    shadows on only one side of the stream?

    Also, it may just be my eyes or the low online resolution, but I find the
    overall soft focus disorienting. If you're going to defocus both the
    foreground and the background, I think the figures should be sharp.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Oct 9, 2007
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  12. May

    UC Guest

    It's not the way I would do it (there's no modelling), and the bright
    area is overexposed or underprinted.
     
    UC, Oct 9, 2007
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    Paul Furman Guest


    Interesting. The contrast is so extreme, I think it still works toning
    that down considerably. I like it b&w.
     
    Paul Furman, Oct 9, 2007
    #93
  14. Don't quit your day job. Learn about posing subjects and lighting them
    properly.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Oct 9, 2007
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  15. May

    dadiOH Guest


    Which is why I preferred it with decreased gamma and saturation.

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    dadiOH, Oct 9, 2007
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  16. May

    UC Guest

    What I meant was that I would not take the photo is a way that left no
    modelling of anything. Look at my stuff, and you will almost always
    see strong modelling, which gives depth to the two-dimensional image.
    The hallmark of the amateur is precisely his choice of flat,
    uninteresting light.

    http://www.photographyboard.net/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=7770
     
    UC, Oct 9, 2007
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  17. May

    May Guest

    The fishermen did not know I was there, so photo was taken in candid
    form. They were under a bridge on a bright sunny day which cast the
    shadow over them alone. So this was from a series I tried in natural
    light. The link was to the photo as it was originally taken, no
    alterations. It was actually printed in a brochure for the Boat & Fish
    Commission of my county. I did adjust color saturation & increased the
    contrast (only selected the fishermen to get a crisper edge.) for the
    printed piece, but I still felt it wasn't quite up to par. I do like
    the overall image for a project I am working on, but wanted to redo
    the adjustments to get a more appealing look to it. Thanks for all
    your imput. I will try your suggestions to see what will fit the
    project best.

    It is interesting to hear how different your suggestions are when you
    have no outside detail on the image other than camera, film speed,
    etc. The things you mentioned would certainly made a better photo had
    I had most of them available to me at the time.

    This was taken on a day I had just decided to go for a hike & took the
    old SLR with me. I liked how the shadow of the bridge was cast over
    the fishermen, so I took the shot & hoped it would come out when the
    film came back. I was disappointed at the washed out look the summer
    sun made in the photo. A friend that works for the boat commission saw
    it & loved it. I didn't even want it published but he insisted and the
    check was, well, lets say the deciding factor at the time. Guess it
    just goes to show people will pay almost anything for something they
    like.
     
    May, Oct 10, 2007
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  18. May

    Burt Johnson Guest

    most newsgroups are that way. I just joined this one tonight for the
    first time.

    Any chance you can shorten my learning cycle and point out those that
    are a waste of time and consumer of tums? :)
     
    Burt Johnson, Oct 11, 2007
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  19. May

    UC Guest

    Burt:

    Most photographers are idiots. Get used to it.
     
    UC, Oct 11, 2007
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  20. May

    Burt Johnson Guest

    Fortunately, that is not true at all. You are a massive exception, and
    one of those idiots that appears to get his kicks by trying to destroy
    any group he enters.
     
    Burt Johnson, Oct 11, 2007
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