Bergger Prestice Graded CB Art opinions wanted

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by John, Jan 12, 2004.

  1. John

    John Guest

    Hello !

    I need a substitute for my rapidly dwindling supply of
    Ektalure.


    Regards,

    John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.darkroompro.com
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    John, Jan 12, 2004
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  2. John,

    I have tested the Bergger papers, though not extensively. They are
    excellent. They have a "feel" that is very nice. They seem to be a bit
    heavier in weight than other papers. With a quick dip in brown toner
    thay make excellent portrait papers. Having said that from a look and
    cost point of view I have settled on Agfa MCC in matte finish as the
    best (for me) Ektalure substitute. Unlike the Agfa glossy the matte
    paper has a cream base. I love the texture and it tones beautifully. It
    doesn't have the heavy weight of the Bergger, but once framed that
    doesn't matter so much.

    Frank Rome, NY
     
    Frank Calidonna, Jan 12, 2004
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  3. John

    lloyd Guest

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:10:39 GMT, Frank Calidonna

    ....I have settled on Agfa MCC in matte finish as
    the
    jan1204 from Lloyd Erlick,

    That cream base is the same (FB) paper Agfa used
    when they still produced Portriga (FB, not
    'Portriga Speed').

    If one is not specifically hunting a graded paper
    to replace Ektalure, I have found Ilford
    Multigrade Warmtone FB (designated MGW) is really
    beautiful. I actually like the whiteness of the
    base, which is not the least bit 'cream' like Agfa
    MCC matte, but also not as blatant as the white
    base of many RC materials.

    MGW shows its warmth only if it is appropriately
    developed and toned. Selenium toner results are
    affected by the developer, as well as by
    hardener/no hardener in the fix.

    regards,
    --le
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    Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
     
    lloyd, Jan 12, 2004
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  4. John

    John Guest

    Portriga was a great paper. Nearly as good at the warm tones
    as Ektalure and very nice just a little cooler.
    Alas, I have relocated to the land of heat and humidity. I've
    found that VC papers tend to degrade _very_ quickly in this
    environment. I just tossed 600 sheets of Polymax II RC that evidently
    were heavily fogged last summer. Fortunately I have quite a bit of
    graded FB's that weren't effected.

    Regards,

    John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.darkroompro.com
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    John, Jan 12, 2004
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  5. John

    lloyd Guest

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:50:19 -0600, John

    jan1204 from Lloyd Erlick,

    Well, I'm degrading in the face-fracturing cold
    around here. Today is fine, only a bit below the
    freezing point of water. But the last while has
    been below the freezing point of a brass bowling
    ball. My face hurts just talking about it. I don't
    know what people who live in the real cold do. I'm
    an urban wimp.

    The land of heat and humidity. People pay for
    those around here...

    regards,
    --le
    ______________________________
    Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
     
    lloyd, Jan 12, 2004
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  6. John

    John Guest

    Whatever you do, don't click on this link !


    http://www.srh.noaa.gov/forecasts/TNZ075.php?warncounty=TNC003&city=Wartrace
    That's OK. It's only really cold 3 months of the year. The A/C
    units start getting their workout in May and don't shut off until
    October.


    Regards,

    John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.darkroompro.com
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    John, Jan 12, 2004
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  7. I've used 11 X 14 CB Art 2 by Bergger. I like the paper. I've done
    some Kodak HIE (Infared) shots on it and the results are phenominal at
    least to me.
     
    Stephen M. Gluck, Jan 13, 2004
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