Best $2,000 Digital Camera and Editing System for Making Big Screen Movie?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Ranger West, Jun 25, 2004.

  1. Ranger West

    Ranger West Guest

    Suppose I want to shoot a film digitally which will be transferred to
    16 mm and 32 mm film.

    What is the best digital camera for this? The Canon GL2? Sony?
    Panasonic?

    What is the best editing system? Final Cut Pro? Premiere?

    What mode should I shoot in? Progressive scan?

    Thanks so much!
     
    Ranger West, Jun 25, 2004
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  2. Ranger West

    nappy Guest

    Panasonic AGDVX100A

    Windows PC, AVID or Premiere. Definately NOT FCP
     
    nappy, Jun 25, 2004
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  3. Ranger West

    kay & wand Guest

    why not do it properly?

    shoot 16/32, transfer to video for editing?

    it'll certainly look better than any 'pretend' from a budget camera?

    leslie
     
    kay & wand, Jun 26, 2004
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  4. Ranger West

    Tony Guest

    He's not serious about making a movie anyways.
     
    Tony, Jun 26, 2004
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    gothika Guest

    I'd lean towards the panasonic offerings based on what I've read in
    the reviews.
    JVC is supposed to be putting out some nice cinevid cameras as well.

    I see alot of stuff going out on Final Cut that looks really nice.
     
    gothika, Jun 26, 2004
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  6. Ranger West

    nappy Guest

    I think 32 is a little hard to get right now.
     
    nappy, Jun 26, 2004
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  7. Ranger West

    Twin Wolf Guest


    Why not Final Cut Pro?



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    Twin Wolf, Nov 22, 2004
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  8. Ranger West

    nappy-iou Guest

    Go to the FCP forums at apple and lafcpug.org and view the current crop of
    problems. Do the same with Premiere Pro. I am biased because I like to work
    fast and FCP is not anything near fast in my book. Many will disagree but I
    am speaking from my experience not theirs. At present I have both systems
    and I only use FCP in the event that someone brings a project in on it.
    Every OSX upgrade brings new problems. Not that XP SP2 didn't throw a few
    folks off. But the releases are more often with OSX, I suspect because the
    development team is smaller.. I dunno.

    Whenever I have tried to get help with some of FCP's MOST annoying bugs I
    always get the same response.. Reinstall EVERYTHING. Well, that just tells
    me that there are bugs and problems that no one understands so they default
    to a complete restore .. As far as I am concerned any system that requires
    such extreme measures so often is NG.

    That said, FCP is popular with many. Never take only my word for it.
    Hopefully more people will respond to your question with their take on it.
     
    nappy-iou, Nov 22, 2004
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  9. nappy-iou wrote:

    hahhaha.. This was way too funny to not reply. :)

    Your analogy is that because a lot more people are using FCP and asking
    questions about how to use it correctly, this is somehow an indication
    that there's some kind of problems with FCP?

    Windows users are filling up chat rooms and message boards with far more
    problems with XP than OSX.. are you saying that XP is inferior? :)
    Only people that have problems reinstalling FCP are people that have to
    go and look for another hacked serial number, making it a pain to
    re-install again.
    Yeah.. I guess all these studios that are using FCP to produce
    blockbuster movies like Cold Mountain, and Skycaptain.. are all full of
    crap because one disgruntled guy in a newsgroup can't figure out how to
    work the program.. :)

    -Richard
     
    Richard Ragon, Nov 23, 2004
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  10. Geez, they only do the edit on an FCP-system, spit out the EDL, bring
    it to the neg-cutter etc etc. You seem to suggest they do the whole
    thing on those wimpy FCP's. Hahhaaaaa, then they would be out of
    business very quickly.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Nov 23, 2004
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  11. Ranger West

    nappy-iou Guest

    NO Richard. The natures of the problems and quantity and the fact that none
    of them actually gets solutions. Go read the fucking posts dumbshit.
    Get your head out of your ass and brush your teeth dickwad. I own this piece
    of shit.



    Ah.. .amateurs. They're so.. stupid. Look Ragooon. I have had this
    discussion with you a number of times. You're an asshole. That's clear. SO
    you can name two movies that someone happen to cut with this turkey while
    Apple was kissing their butts.. That's completely irrelevant. They had to
    have someone from Appple there all the time to make sure it worked. If you
    think Apple just delivered their free systems and let them cut away you're
    dreaming. .

    Since you are new at this ai suspect the glare in your eyes is preventing
    you from seeing clearly. People cut movies on every system imaginable.
    That's a lame ass response Richard. You have to be able to come up with
    something more substantial as you haven't said shit here.
     
    nappy-iou, Nov 23, 2004
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  12. Ranger West

    nappy-iou Guest

    Not only that but cutting a feature films, with all of the post audio being
    done elsewhere and NO fx or transitions or anything..

    Not a big deal.

    One thing the amateurs don't get is how much EASIER it is when the budgets
    get bigger and one person is not doing everything. In my world where I
    finish features and commercials and fx.. FCP is a dog bitch. Period.

    I sincerely doubt that Walter Murch did everything in FCP. In fact, he
    probalby only had 1 or two audio tracks and straight cuts all the way
    through. In any case.. the movie still sucked wankers. So I don't know how
    relevant any of that crap really is. Apple doesn't consider people cutting
    40 million dollar features their biggest market.
     
    nappy-iou, Nov 23, 2004
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  13. Huhh.. Surprise martin, they did do the whole movie of "skycaptain" in
    the FCP workflow. There was a great artcile about the total digital
    work flow in Videoography magazine.

    Also.. off subject a bit.. but Walter Murch has a upcoming documentry
    thats going to be show in Showtime (I think) where he talks in depth
    about the changes in the editing world and the revolution thats going on
    with digtal work flow. And, he has a new book thats talks about his
    work on the newest film "JarHead" using FCP HD workflow.

    -Richard
     
    Richard Ragon, Nov 24, 2004
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  14. Kewl.. I guess since you had no responce other than a long winded reply
    and name calling.. I'll take that as a "I thought so".

    -Richard
     
    Richard Ragon, Nov 24, 2004
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  15. Ranger West

    nappy-iou Guest


    No. take that as a sincere "**** off ", idiot. Boy you gotta explain
    everything to some people.
     
    nappy-iou, Nov 24, 2004
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  16. Ranger West

    nappy-iou Guest

    Videography Magazine.. ok.. There's a good source for accurate info on Film
    finish & VFX.. not.

    Maya, After Effects (lots of AE), Countless proprietary apps from ILM , Ring
    of Fire, Rising Sun & The Orphanage, etc etc.

    After all that muscle FCP is simply used to assemble the show. No big deal.

    Ragoon, it is wishful thinking. No matter where you read it. See POST,
    sept 2004. Probably a Cinefx article also. In the post article I don't even
    see FCP mentioned.

    But they DO say " Maya and After Effects were the Main tules used by World
    of Tomorrow"

    Too bad the movie sucked BIG TIME>





    Right. Did he just wake up from a 20 year sleep?
     
    nappy-iou, Nov 24, 2004
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  17. Ranger West

    nappy-iou Guest


    before you get your tits in a ringer.. it is spelled 'tools'. I need to
    look at the screen more often.
     
    nappy-iou, Nov 24, 2004
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  18. They used FCP on set to pre-edit. All the digital effects were done on
    Maya and After Effects. On a Mac-platform, I'll give that one to ya
    ;-)
    Like I said, FCP is only one cog in the machinery. Just like AVID's
    are 1 cog too. Don't wet your pants that Murch uses FCP. He is a
    respected editor, but maybe he saw the light only recently, after
    spending too many years at his Moviola. Digital makes the workflow
    much easier. You don't have to muck around with workprints anymore,
    and see results instantly. I think the reason he held back for such a
    long time is that on SD-video you can't really judge focus, and with
    HD, you're a step closer to spotting problems. And HD technology only
    recently became affordable and reliable. And, I have to say, in HD the
    Apple platform has still the edge above WIntel.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Nov 28, 2004
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