Best developer for fuji neopan 1600 ?

Discussion in 'Fuji' started by Hywel Davies, Jun 30, 2004.

  1. Hywel Davies

    Hywel Davies Guest

    Which developers would the wise folks on this newsgroup recommend for neopan
    1600? The aim is to minimise grain (at least somewhat). I've tried T-max, at
    24C but this was more grainy than expected. I realise it's going to be
    fairly grainy anyway.

    Thanks

    Ros
     
    Hywel Davies, Jun 30, 2004
    #1
    1. Advertisements

  2. HC-110 or D-76 will likely give less grain than T-Max, without loss of
    speed (though you're actually pushing a little to get Neopan 1600 to
    1600; it's properly about 800-1000, but designed with low contrast so it
    pushes well). If you can tolerate loss of speed and some loss of
    acutance, Microdol-X should significantly reduce grain -- but then you
    might as well shoot Tri-X or Neopan 400 and develop in conventional
    processes. I've seen claims that shortening process time reduces grain,
    other factors equal, which would suggest HC-110, possibly even in
    Dilution A, would be the likeliest candidate. Dilution A times are
    about 70% of Dilution B, in the likely case you can't find them listed
    anywhere. The push to 1600 should still give a time around 4+ minutes;
    I wouldn't try to go under 4 minutes for tank development because of
    problems with consistency and fill/drain times relative to the total dev
    time.

    --
    I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!
    -- E. J. Fudd, 1954

    Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer
    Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm
    Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm

    Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
    and don't expect them to be perfect.
     
    Donald Qualls, Jul 1, 2004
    #2
    1. Advertisements

  3. Hywel Davies

    R.Gigi Guest

    Hi,
    where can I find developing times with rodinal?

    thanks!

    On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 03:08:21 GMT, Donald Qualls



    ---

    SHOW
    E
    LIES
    L
     
    R.Gigi, Jul 1, 2004
    #3
  4. I strongly recommend Acutol. Try 1+15 for 7.5 minutes @ 20C/68F. It's
    a VERY fine-grained film when developed properly. Expose at about EI
    650-800.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 1, 2004
    #4
  5. I strongly recommend Acutol. Try 1+15 for 7.5 minutes @ 20C/68F. It's
    a VERY fine-grained film when developed properly. Expose at about EI
    650-800. Here's an example:

    http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1225120
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 1, 2004
    #5
  6. Try on digitaltruth. I remember they are very short, about 3.5 minutes
    in 1+50 diluition.
     
    Silvio Bacchetta, Jul 1, 2004
    #6
  7. Hywel Davies

    R.Gigi Guest

    Isn't too much short?
    tnx !

    ciao

    ---

    SHOW
    E
    LIES
    L
     
    R.Gigi, Jul 1, 2004
    #7
  8. I was wrong, actually it is 5 minutes at 1+25 or 8 at 1+50. I was
    mislead by the time for some other developer.
     
    Silvio Bacchetta, Jul 1, 2004
    #8
  9. Start with:

    http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html

    --
    I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!
    -- E. J. Fudd, 1954

    Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer
    Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm
    Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm

    Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
    and don't expect them to be perfect.
     
    Donald Qualls, Jul 2, 2004
    #9
  10. Hywel Davies

    R.Gigi Guest

    thank you !!


    ---

    SHOW
    E
    LIES
    L
     
    R.Gigi, Jul 2, 2004
    #10
  11. Hywel Davies

    wkg Guest

    Hallo !

    In my opinion the best is XTOL 1+3 for Neopan 1600@800 ... I use it for
    Neopan 1600@1600 also. Times from www.digitaltruth.com


    Regards
    wkg
    http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=56107
     
    wkg, Jul 2, 2004
    #11


  12. It would be difficult to find a developer less suited for Neopan 1600
    than Rodinal. Worst possible choice.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 2, 2004
    #12
  13. Your opinion, of course -- and while it might even be correct (though I
    admit, with some subject matter grain doesn't bother me), that wasn't
    the question asked. Maybe the original poster wanted to find out if he
    *liked* the look? Or see it, to know what kind of subject matter it
    might suit? Or perhaps he has some time critical images, and *only* has
    Rodinal available in the time frame he's working in, and something with
    ugly grain is better than undeveloped film?

    --
    I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!
    -- E. J. Fudd, 1954

    Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer
    Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm
    Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm

    Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
    and don't expect them to be perfect.
     
    Donald Qualls, Jul 3, 2004
    #13


  14. The original question was 'Which developers would the wise folks on
    this newsgroup recommend for neopan 1600? The aim is to minimise grain
    (at least somewhat).'

    Given that stated desire, Rodinal is the worst choice.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 3, 2004
    #14
  15. Even then, I doubt Rodinal is any worse than Dektol (which most
    assuredly has been used as a film developer, though perhaps before your
    time), and probably no worse than Caffenol (which last would also have
    the advantage of giving a true speed of about 1250 instead of 1000, with
    out pushing at all).

    But while Rodinal is a poor choice (with any film) for minimizing grain,
    your statement above was sufficiently general as to sound like Rodinal
    was completely unsuitable for Neopan 1600 in any application -- which is
    manifestly not the case; Rodinal will do a fine job at EI 800, if you
    don't mind grain.

    --
    I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!
    -- E. J. Fudd, 1954

    Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer
    Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm
    Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm

    Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
    and don't expect them to be perfect.
     
    Donald Qualls, Jul 4, 2004
    #15

  16. Rodinal is a poor choice for Neopan 1600 for the following reasons:

    1. Rodinal does not achieve full emulsion speed. Presumably the Neopan
    1600 is being used because of the need for a very fast films. Using
    Rodinal would run counter to that because of its lack of
    speed-enhancing properties.

    2. The poster explicitly wants to keep graininess to a minimum.

    On both counts, Acutol does an outstanding job. Acutol enhances speed
    and does not exaggerate graininess. Rodinal loses speed and
    exaggerates graininess.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 5, 2004
    #16
  17. Hywel Davies

    John Guest

    It's all about taste. Some like texture some don't. I have a
    shot around where I should some Kodak Gold 1600 about 12 years ago. I
    used a Soligor (!!) 70~210 f/3.5 zoom and 2 of the cheapest doublers
    you've ever seen. It worked quite well to make "atmospheric" shots. A
    lot like the P3200 used in

    http://www.darkroompro.com/images/photos/3_despair.jpg

    Shot with a Minolta X700 at 1/60th and f/5.6 in a dark alley.


    Regards,

    John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.darkroompro.com
    Please remove the "_" when replying via email
     
    John, Jul 5, 2004
    #17
  18. Hywel Davies

    Mark Rabiner Guest

    Neopan 1600 is my most used favorite film and I do the same.
    In XTOL 1+3 it looks like normally developed medium speed film. Way better
    than tri x in D76 1:1. Sharper and less grain. I hate to overstate it but
    it's a dream come true for someone who's been doing this since 1965.

    Mark Rabiner
    Photography
    Portland Oregon
    http://rabinergroup.com/
     
    Mark Rabiner, Jul 5, 2004
    #18
  19. Hywel Davies

    Modis Podis Guest


    clayton f76 works really well actually.
    the neopan 1600 works best if you expose it perfectly.
    a little under or a little over and you'll see a lot of grain.
     
    Modis Podis, Aug 23, 2004
    #19
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.