Best dslr camera- indoor volleyball

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Jp, Oct 29, 2005.

  1. Jp

    Jp Guest

    I am going to buy an entry level dslr in the next month.
    We spend a lot of time in the gym watching high school volleyball and
    basketball, and you can imagine the results with a regular compact
    digital camera.
    The Olympus E-500 looks very appealing and would like to know if anyone
    has used it a gym for these high action/poor lighting conditions or will
    the ISO performance be a factor.
    Second choice would be the the Canon XT 350 .
    I have read many reviews , but would like to hear if anyone has any
    experience under these conditions. Thanks.
     
    Jp, Oct 29, 2005
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  2. You'll want the low noise at high ISO you get with the Canon. I
    suggest you look at the Canon 85mm f/1.8 as the lens get. Don't waste
    your money on the kit lenses.


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    "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the
    color of blood in black and white"


    David Douglas Duncan
    Speaking on why in Vietnam
    he worked only in black and white
    http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/
     
    John A. Stovall, Oct 29, 2005
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  3. Jp

    223rem Guest

    I'm not sure that even the new Rebel would do what you want-relatively low light (indoors)
    and fast moving subjects is a tough combination.
     
    223rem, Oct 29, 2005
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  4. Not really with a high ISO and a fast lens.

    Here are some examples of the 85mm f/1.8 at high ISO's.

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/277699/0#2320907


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    "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the
    color of blood in black and white"


    David Douglas Duncan
    Speaking on why in Vietnam
    he worked only in black and white
    http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/
     
    John A. Stovall, Oct 29, 2005
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  5. Jp

    223rem Guest

    223rem, Oct 29, 2005
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  6. The best would possibly be a Canon 1D Mk. 2
    (http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_1d_mark_ii) with a 1200mm
    super-super telephoto lens (http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/ef_1200_56u)
    mounted on a Wimberley Head
    (http://www.tripodhead.com/products/wimberley-main.cfm) , attached to a
    Gitzo 1548 Tripod (http://www.gitzo.com/) .

    It might cost a little more than you were planning to spend, but you'd have
    the advantage of being able to shoot the volleyball from your own back yard
    if you happened to live in the same state as the game :)
     
    Cockpit Colin, Oct 29, 2005
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  7. Jp

    Pete D Guest

    Possibly but how does that fit with the first sentence of the original
    post?? A little more, I'll take two then????
     
    Pete D, Oct 29, 2005
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  8. I do exactly what you do...

    http://www.clearlakevolleyball.com

    I use a Rebel 300D. I use either a 50mm f1.8 or a 28-105 USM f3.5-4.5

    I use a monopod, primarily for fatigue. I'm usually shooting 1/200 or
    faster. Wide open on the zoom lens.

    I have the hack firmware installed and shoot ISO 3200 with the zoom. I
    use Noise Ninja to clean up the high ISO noise.

    At f3.5, ISO 1600 is a stretch in non-well lit gyms.

    50mm can be a bit long if you are right on the sideline, but the wider
    aperture is worth it if you need it. Shooting from the stands with the
    zoom, I'm usually between 40mm and 70mm with the zoom.
     
    Steve Cutchen, Oct 29, 2005
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  9. I was thinking more along the lines of the subject line.
     
    Cockpit Colin, Oct 30, 2005
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  10. Jp

    Bill Guest

    The glass on the camera is going to be far more important than the
    camera body. For indoor action, you typically need high ISO settings and
    fast lenses with sharp results when used wide-open.

    Using one of your examples, something like the Canon Rebel XT with a
    50mm f/1.8 would give decent results at a reasonable price, but may not
    get you close enough to the action.

    If you can afford it, the better zooms like the 70-200 f/2.8 L IS would
    be sweet. Or perhaps the 135mm f/2.8 SF would be good.
     
    Bill, Oct 30, 2005
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  11. Jp

    Brian Baird Guest

    The high ISO performance will be a factor, as will the lack of IS/VR if
    you can't use a tripod.
    That would be a fine choice, as would the D50. The 20D would be most
    ideal (faster AF, great high ISO performance), but if the bucks aren't
    there don't sweat it.
     
    Brian Baird, Oct 30, 2005
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  12. Actually, 50mm on an XT (1.6 crop) is pretty long if you are anywhere
    near the side of the court.
     
    Steve Cutchen, Oct 30, 2005
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  13. IS is not that big of a deal for volleyball. If you are shooting slow
    enough for IS to make a difference, you are going to get significant
    blur from the speed of the action.
     
    Steve Cutchen, Oct 30, 2005
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    Stacey Guest

    The E500 would be a poor choice for this application. You'll need high ISO
    settings and that isn't this cameras strong point.

    Get the Canon, preferably a body only and a fast lens. Might be worth
    figuring out what focal length is ideal for this specific appication and
    buy a fast prime? A fast lens will allow faster/more accurate auto focus
    even if used stopped down. You're going to be fighting both ISO noise and
    auto focus speed in this poor light.
     
    Stacey, Oct 30, 2005
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  15. Jp

    Jp Guest

    Yes , I think this is the one, Canon XT 350 ,as a kit, and buy the 50mm
    f/1.8 (affordable) to use courtside. Will this enable me to crop the
    photos well enough to maintain enough detail in the image? I will likely
    print some nice 8 x 10's at the most.
     
    Jp, Oct 30, 2005
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  16. Jp

    Stacey Guest


    Exactly. Some people thing IS solves any lens speed problem, it just helps
    with camera shake of basically static subjects.
     
    Stacey, Oct 30, 2005
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    Bill Guest

    I agree it can be too long.

    Or too short, or just right.

    It all depends what you're looking to capture, the framing, location,
    high or low angle, etc. There's a lot more options than just taking a
    "whole court" shot from the bench.

    And one of the primary rules of shooting with any fixed focal length
    lense is zooming with your feet.
     
    Bill, Oct 30, 2005
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  18. The 50mm is certainly sharp. I bought a used Mk I lens to get the
    metal mount. How much you can crop comes down to what you're going to
    do with the result. I've seen folks say that 300dpi is about the
    minimum for high quality printing. So an 8x10 would be 2400x3000; no
    crop on the XT 350.
     
    Steve Cutchen, Oct 30, 2005
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    Stacey Guest

    That should work great.
    I'd try to not crop if possible but you should be able to crop some,
    especially for 5X7 prints and maybe a bit for 8X10's. With the 50mm lens
    courtside, you shouldn't have to crop at all.
     
    Stacey, Oct 30, 2005
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  20. That should work great.[/QUOTE]

    One other thing I didn'y mention. You will want to either shoot RAW or
    set a custom white balance. Gym lighting conditions are horrible. And
    some cyms combine skylights... which go dark at night (!!) and chance
    the light quality mid match.
    I agree. Also realize that as the teams switch sides in a match the
    positions flip as well; setters/right sides for outsides will be on
    your side. So you will get players swapping from across court to next
    to you as they swap sides of the court. You can plan your subjects
    accordingly.
     
    Steve Cutchen, Oct 30, 2005
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