Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Cody Dawg, Mar 4, 2005.

  1. Cody Dawg

    Stacey Guest

    And he who cries because what they just bought last month is now being sold
    cheaper or that something better has come out is going to be crying a lot!
    Getting into the "upgrade" mindset is what they hope for.
    Stacey, Mar 5, 2005
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  2. Apart from shooting speed, does the Digic-II affect image quality if
    you shoot RAW? If not and you are fine with the slower 300D then the
    price difference could be invested in some good lens. What say?

    IMHO, its more important to have a really good lens to begin with than
    have faster electronics or 2MP more. Remember, bodies come and go but
    lenses stay.

    My advise for the OP is to first set aside the money for a fast
    walkaround lens because the you will outgrow any kit lens pretty soon.
    The Canon 300D/350D kit lens is good value for $100 but with limited
    capabilities so you'll be looking around soon enough for a replacement
    walkaround lens.

    - Siddhartha
    Siddhartha Jain, Mar 5, 2005
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    JPS Guest

    In message <>,
    The only way to see vertical line artifacts in my 20D is to under-expose
    by 4 stops and push, flash or not.

    Most, if not all, of the issues that you are hearing about affect
    individual specimens. My 20D has not shown any banding at normal
    exposure (very faint, pushing 1600 to 25,800), has never locked up
    (after almost 6000 images), and flash-exposes exactly the way I would
    expect it to. I just set both ambient and flash compensation to zero,
    shot a white wall with the built-in flash, and the histogram was just a
    little right of center, the way it should be with a double-exposure.

    All of my peeves about the camera are about design decision, many of
    which are universal for the line, Canon, and even multiple
    JPS, Mar 5, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Darrell wrote:

    Choosing Canon DSLR's has not been a high risk venture for anyone.
    Alan Browne, Mar 5, 2005
  5. Cody Dawg

    DM Guest


    Canon 350D - no doubt about it (I'm a 20D user and have just been advising
    my brother whose wanting to go digital to get the 350 - bank per buck -

    As for the lens... how much is your budget? There are some users that will
    spend $1000 on a body and then want to couple it with a $100-200 zoom. Then
    again there are some of us that realise how important the glass is & would
    place the balance much nearer 50:50 (or even greater!)


    DM, Mar 5, 2005
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    RichA Guest

    Is it still all plastic?
    RichA, Mar 7, 2005
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    G.T. Guest

    Yeah, and?

    G.T., Mar 7, 2005
  8. I don't know what you mean by "Is it still all plastic". The 300D had a
    metal skeleton with plastic skin as does the Nikon D70 and now the

    - Siddhartha
    Siddhartha Jain, Mar 7, 2005
  9. Cody Dawg

    Darrell Guest

    The lensmount is steel, the camera with the most metal in that class is the
    Pentax *ist DS
    Darrell, Mar 7, 2005
  10. Cody Dawg

    Darrell Guest

    Are you certain about that? None of my POS materials claim that. The D100
    was cast magnesium, as is the Canon 10D and 20D. Can you point me at proof
    of those claims?
    Darrell, Mar 7, 2005
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    rbel Guest

    If you are referring to the D70 - from the dpreview review:
    "the D70 has a robust (polycarbonate) body"
    rbel, Mar 7, 2005
  12. Cody Dawg

    Darrell Guest

    I know the Canon "D" cameras (10D, 20D, 1D) are magnesium. I have never
    heard Canon claim anything like that about the Rebel. D70 is Polycarbonate,
    D100 was magnesium, and both the Pentax *ist D and DS have a stainless steel
    Darrell, Mar 7, 2005
  13. Honestly, even I didn't remember where I had read that until you
    challenged my assertion ;) Ok, here it is:

    Also, polycarbonate is a very tough material used for making automotive
    helmets too!! I am not sure how it compares to magnesium alloys but it
    sure looks tougher than lots of other metals. Just google a bit and
    read about polycarbonate types and properties.

    - Siddhartha
    Siddhartha Jain, Mar 8, 2005
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    Alan Adrian Guest

    This whole thing about plastic cameras is a bit of a farce really... When
    you climb aboard a modern jet airliner, you are getting into a machine that
    has large amounts of plastics used in various structural places... If you
    move into the military realm.. you get even more use... when you look at any
    high performance sport like Formula 1, yacht racing, kayaking... pretty much
    all of them... you are into heavy use of plastic...

    If you put your "all metal" camera into a waterproof case... that case it
    likely to be 99.9% plastic...

    It's got to be about how the camera "feels" to the user.. otherwise it's
    about someone trying to out market their camera over the competition's using
    a manipulative, meaningless metric.

    Alan Adrian, Mar 8, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    The non metal structural members of airliners and fighters are mainly
    carbon fibre composite mats, bonded together at high temperature and
    pressure. While having great mechanical properties, they are nowhere as
    stiff as poly-c. They must flex to some degree.

    Poly-c is an excellent material for cameras, and in some ways better
    than a principaly metal body. Such a metal body, on shock, transmits
    most of its energy to the delicate parts. In a poly-c body, some of the
    energy is absorbed in the poly-c itself, protecting the deicate parts.

    I have three bodies, an all-poly-c; an all-metal and now a 'mostly metal
    with poly-c'. They're all robust and while I don't abuse my equipment,
    I don't baby it either... these cameras take the abuse well. (Well the
    third on is only a day old, but...).

    Alan Browne, Mar 8, 2005
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    Darrell Guest

    Hi Siddhartha

    The metal parts shown is not a chassis, but metal for RFI shielding. I am
    not against polycarbonate, in fact I understand why it's used. Overall the
    300D and D70 both have the same amount of metal in them
    Darrell, Mar 8, 2005
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    Darrell Guest

    BTW that's an interesting link, cheaper than a Canon 20Da
    Darrell, Mar 8, 2005
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    C J Campbell Guest

    Nooooooooo!!! The last six flame wars started by somebody asking this
    question have not died down yet!
    C J Campbell, Mar 8, 2005
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