Best mini digital camera : Nikon coolpix S9, Canon SD400, Pentax S7

Discussion in 'Pentax' started by aniramca, Nov 24, 2006.

  1. aniramca

    J. Clarke Guest

    You bend the cardboard to make a three-sided shield and tape it to the
    camera.

    But if you have those specific requirements then you probably want a
    camera with an optical finder.
     
    J. Clarke, Nov 24, 2006
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  2. aniramca

    harrogate3 Guest

    Canon SD600 - which we in the UK know as the Ixus 60. I have one,
    along with a Nikon D70s SLR and an Olympus C5050 - and I use the Canon
    more than the other two put together.

    One thing that you may not have considered is shutter lag. Nikon and
    Olympus are notorious for shutter lag (the time between pressing the
    button and the picture being taken) during which you could fall
    asleep. On the other hand the SD600 is probably about a half second -
    certainly less than a second. The Casio is even quicker - one of their
    earlier models used to boast a shutter lag not exceeding 220mS, and I
    can vouch for that as I have one - when it works!

    Have a look at www.steves-digicams.com - you might find it
    enlightening.
     
    harrogate3, Nov 24, 2006
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  3. aniramca

    AT Guest

    M 8 :))))


    Is useful in adjusting focus?
     
    AT, Nov 24, 2006
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  4. aniramca

    M-M Guest


    The 10X optical zoom on the Nikon would be all I need to make a
    decision. An optical VF is real nice, but there are eyepieces (really a
    sunshade with a lens) you can put on the LCD screen that allows you to
    hold it right next to your eye.
     
    M-M, Nov 24, 2006
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  5. aniramca

    aniramca Guest

    Thanks for your response!
    The following are dimension of each of the camera (in mm, with inch in
    bracket)
    Nikon P4 - 92x61x31mm (3.6x2.4x1.2 in)
    Nikon CoolpixS9 - 90.5x58x20.4mm (3.5x2.2x0.8 in)
    Pentax S7 - 85x53.5x19.5mm (3.3x2.1x0.8 in)
    Samsung 150 - 92.3x60.2x17.7mm (3.6x2.4x0.7 in)
    Samsung i5 - 89.6x59.8x17.3mm (3.5x2.4x0.7 in)
    Sony DSCT 50 - 95x56.5x23.4mm (3.7x2.2x0.9 in)
    Lumix/Panasonic FX01 - 94x51x24.1mm (3.7x2x1 in)

    My question is still about quality and long lasting camera. In the old
    days, Nikon, Canon, Pentax are excellent cameras with good lenses.
    However, in the digital age, lenses alone could not make it, if they do
    not have electronics that can make good image/pixels. So, perhaps those
    others may beat the top of the classical camera choices.
    I checked Samsung this morning, and in one of the flyer, they sell
    Samsung i5 cheap!. I am a little worry of using Samsung. Usually a good
    and average camera are decided by how good the buttons and mechanical
    things (switch, trap doors, etc) around the camera work. Those little
    things can make things worse if they do not work properly, or worn out
    quickly.
    Should I buy a Samsung and ended up getting mad after 1 year, or is it
    really a good camera? We bought a Samsung MP3 player and after 1 year,
    the screen is blank (but it still plays!).
    Sony DSCT has a sliding cover, which is good for the lens, as I usually
    shove my camera in my pocket - no camera bag. unfortunately, it is
    beyond my reach (because I do not want to us other than SD card).
    Similarly Olympus has one with sliding cover.... and it is using xD
    card.
    I like to hear more comments about Canon SD400, Nikon P3/S9, Pentax S7,
    and perhaps Lumix FX01..
    Another thing... Canon started to advertise about ISA 1600. Is it a
    good additional feature? My Lumix is bad to take picture where the room
    is very large and dark. I need to over exposed it and still not enough
    (flash is too small). Is pushing the ISo from 400 (or 800) to 1600 in
    newer Canon a good feature?
    Thanks for info and discussions!
     
    aniramca, Nov 25, 2006
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  6. aniramca

    aniramca Guest

    I do not doubt that Olympus is a good camera. Unfortunately, I had
    chosen SD card and I do not want to invest anything other than the ones
    that handles with this type of card.
    Long time ago, I used an Olympus OM-1 SLR camera, and at that time, it
    was one among the smallest and smartest SLR camera in the market. It is
    an excellent camera, and Olympus is known for its lenses (also famous
    in medical equipment, microscopes, etc).
    I do note that they make small and thin digital camera. Thanks for the
    info anyway.
     
    aniramca, Nov 25, 2006
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  7. aniramca

    aniramca Guest

    Is Canon SD better than Nikon Coopix - thin series?
    I notice that the body of Canon SD (400, 600, or others) seems to be
    more rigid than Nikon. Did you ever have any trouble with your Canon SD
    ?
    Thanks for info.
    I also notice that Nikon Coolpix s9 has slightly different lens
    style/system than Canon SD or Pentax S7. Coolpix S9, when it is turned
    on, the lens does not come out. It has tiny lens, and wonder if it can
    create better images, if compared to larger lenses in Canon SD.
    But, on the other hand, since the lens is so small and does not move
    much, it may have less mechanism to break down. So, is it better?
    Comments on quality of picture from S9?
     
    aniramca, Nov 25, 2006
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  8. aniramca

    aniramca Guest

    I still like to have a camera with optical finder. As you suggested, it
    is more steady to place the camera against the face and eye.
    I also like to hear the "deep" clicking sound of an old SLR camera....
    and assurance that the picture is taken. My Lumix sometimes has a mind
    of his own (because of automatic features). They refuse to click or
    so... annoying. I like to hear a sound when the picture is taken... but
    perhaps it is just an old habit.
    Some fancy Canon camera even has a pivot in the screen (like in
    handycam movie camera), so that you can take picture upside down or
    sideways, etc.... without looking at the viewfinder.
    In my choice for this next camera... it does not bother much for me. I
    am looking for small, just fit in your hand and also in your pocket,
    and rugged and long lasting, and good pictures! (almost anything
    good!).
    Initially, I was looking for the one that can use AA battery (so that
    if you get stuck somewhere in a foreign land, you can still buy AA
    battery). But, the ones which uses AA or rechargeble AA battery is a
    little thick for my pocket. So, I decided to get the one with
    rechargeble battery.
     
    aniramca, Nov 25, 2006
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  9. aniramca

    Tony Polson Guest


    You're right. No 10X zoom could possibly be optically good enough for
    anyone who is serious about the quality their images.
     
    Tony Polson, Nov 25, 2006
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  10. aniramca

    if Guest

    You say the Lumix is too big, but which Lumix do you have? There are many
    Panasonic/Leica cameras bearing that name. I have the Lumix FX01 and I
    think you'd be hard pressed to find anything smaller that made good
    pictures. It is only half the size of my old Olympus MyuII which was
    already a very small camera (though they are the same weight (160g) as the
    FX01 is an all-metal body, very solidly built).

    Since I just spent a long time examining reviews and scrutinising many
    sample images to choose a digital compact, I will share some of what I have
    learned.

    Assuming you don't have the FX01 already I would comment that the 28mm wide
    angle end is very nice to have and the image stabilisation works very well,
    I have hand held shots at 1/2 second and (with care) they came out sharp.
    The downside to Panasonics is noise (and worse, noise-reduction smearing)
    in shadow areas or dark situations, adding +1 EV compensation is very
    effective in cutting noise though, and you can view histogram either live
    or during review to check highlights have not clipped.

    As for sturdiness, although strongly built with sturdy metal covers for
    battery and USB contacts, the FX01 has a large number of unsealed buttons,
    switches and little holes, plus the retracting concentric rings around the
    lens, all bad news for possible dust/moisture ingress - the camera really
    needs a case, just a thin plastic one would be enough to protect from the
    dust in your pocket etc, but Panasonic are cheapskates and provide nothing
    at all. Even my £10 Alba mp3 player came with a little drawstring bag to
    protect it but not the precision Panasonic camera! (I now use the Alba bag
    for the camera!) (I have since found Panasonic do make a case for the FX
    series but AFAIK nobody actually sells it.)

    The 6 Mpixel FX01 can be got for about £170 if you shop around. For about
    £20-30 more you can get its 7 Mpixel successor the FX07 (panasonic model
    numbers are COMPLETELY random and make no sense at all!). This has worse
    (ie. more) noise reduction, I am told that if you post-process on your PC
    then FX01 is better but if you print direct from camera FX07 is better.
    There is a Leica equivalent to the FX01, the C-Lux1, AFAIK they are
    identical apart from the price, the badge and the bundled editing software
    (which most people here would probably not need).

    About £100 more expensive at £280 is the Lumix LX2, it is quite a bit
    bigger as the lens protrudes permanently but has many more features.
    However images still show some noise in the shadows even in bright sunny
    conditions (e.g. look at the grass in the shade on test images at
    dpreview.com) in the end I didn't think it was worth the extra compared to
    FX01 in terms of image quality, though the extra manual controls & RAW
    option would make it a winner for many people. The Leica version (D-Lux3)
    is a whole lot more expensive and only benefit in test images that I could
    see was 10% less sharpening of images and slightly lower noise (I suspect
    the latter is due to the former).

    In between for price (£225) is the Canon Ixus 800, this has the advantage
    of optical viewfinder and lower noise, but not as wide a lens (35-140mm).
    I nearly bought this as I felt image quality was better than the more
    expensice LX2 but in the end chose the FX01 for its wider lens and more
    feedback about exposure etc during shooting. There is also a successor Ixus
    850 (£250) which does have 28-105 zoom but apparently the lens is soft at
    edges and it has as much noise as the FX01, not at all like the Ixus800.
    If I was buying again with hindsight, it's 50-50 whether I'd get FX01 or
    Ixus 800, I do miss not having optical viewfinder. If you do low light
    photography the Ixus 800 would probably be better I think.
    (I would note that outside Europe, the Ixus models have different names and
    numbers, the 800 is "700", 850 is "800", why do manufacturers do such crazy
    antics? If their goal is to confuse us, I confess they have won.)

    Batteries - Panasonics only take lithium-ion, you can get a spare for £10
    if you shop around, genunine Panasonic one is ridiculous £35 though. The
    Canons are the same. There are also mains adaptors, which IME nobody
    actually stocks. This is a shame as the Panasonic uses battery power even
    when on USB for image uploading (why don't they use the USB power?).

    If you want ability to use 3xAAA alternative for cost-saving or emergency
    backup the only one I know offhand is the Ricoh GR, which is good for all
    manual controls etc but bad for its fixed 28mm lens, relying on digital
    zoom for most pictures. I was tempted due to its high quality add-on 21mm
    ultra-wide adaptor but the whole bundle was £400, far too much for a camera
    with no optical zoom and no image stabilisation. Optical viewfinder is
    another £100 again I think. If the Ricoh GR had had optical zoom and image
    stabilisation I would certainly have paid £400 though, since it would
    (apart from sensor size) be like a D-SLR in the body of an ultra-compact.
    Again though, as with all the other extras like cases and mains adaptors,
    almost no online retailer stocks the Ricoh 21mm lens adaptor, which is
    plain crazy as it's the only reason anyone would buy this camera IMHO.


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    if, Nov 25, 2006
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  11. aniramca

    M-M Guest

    I'd like to see some examples of photos taken with the Coolpix at 10X. I
    know their 3x teleconverter for the earlier 28mm screw mount Coolpix
    cameras is an *excellent* lens optically but that lens measures 70mm in
    diameter.
     
    M-M, Nov 25, 2006
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  12. aniramca

    ASAAR Guest

    If anyone does, it's probably Panasonic. I've ordered parts and
    accessories from them over the phone so you could try getting the
    case that way. I'm not sure that you can use their 800 phone number
    as you appear to be located in the UK but it's 1-800-211-PANA (7262)

    If not and you want to try, check the packaging of any Panasonic
    product, as every one I've ever seen in the USA shows their contact
    phone number, and if the above number isn't suitable for the UK, I'm
    sure that the appropriate number will be included on the packages in
    your area. You could also try ordering from Panasonic's website,
    but it could be trickier if you can't find the specific case that
    you want and don't know its part number.
     
    ASAAR, Nov 25, 2006
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  13. aniramca

    Guest Guest

    I do not know enough about the functioning of the 10X optical zoom on a
    digital camera to comment.
    However, does your observations mean that if I purchase a non SLR Digital
    Camera with a 10X optical zoom I will not be able to capture the details of
    a bird flying out of the crow's nest.
     
    Guest, Nov 26, 2006
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  14. aniramca

    Trev Guest

    I think what he means is that any lens Dslr or otherwise, with 10x zoom
    will have so many compromises to lower the quality. Where as a good 500
    prime lens will well out perform it. and an excellent even more so.
     
    Trev, Nov 26, 2006
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  15. aniramca

    M-M Guest


    Yea, but can you carry a 500 prime lens in your shirt pocket?
     
    M-M, Nov 26, 2006
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  16. aniramca

    Guest Guest

    Yea, but can you carry a 500 prime lens in your shirt pocket?
    Or you can hire a lens Caddy. ;-)
     
    Guest, Nov 26, 2006
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  17. Rita Ä Berkowitz, Nov 26, 2006
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  18. aniramca

    aniramca Guest

    I have an old Panasonix/Lumix DMC-LC50. It is only 3 MP camera, but
    appears to be solid in its performance. Currently I am thinking about
    getting the big DMC-FZ50 someday. However, I also need to get a mini
    one for quick use. The DMC-LC50 is relatively small in width and
    length, but it is rather thick as it uses 2 AA batteries.
    Yesterday, I was in a store and ended up buying a Samsung Digimax i5.
    It may not be the greatest, but it is cheap, and I am still thinking
    about the large and more expensive DMC-FZ50 to consider. Anyway, its
    dimensions at 89.6x59.8x17.3mm (3.5x2.4x0.7 in.) are perfectly fit
    into my pocket. It also includes a docking station, and even a tiny
    pouch. I have not tried the connection to my computer, but it appears
    to be cumbersome. I wonder if I can just take the SD card and push it
    into my computer and download the files... like my Lumix. This way I do
    not neet to get all of the special cables to the docking station, etc.
    So, in the mean time, I will use the Samsung and see how it goes. If it
    breaks down, then I will think seriously about the Panasonic FX series.
    I would like to thank all who contributed to my questions.
     
    aniramca, Nov 27, 2006
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  19. aniramca

    Tony Polson Guest


    Ideally, you should try the camera you intend to buy in the
    situation(s) you intend to use it.

    Only you can decide whether a non SLR Digital Camera with a 10X
    optical zoom will be good enough for you.
     
    Tony Polson, Nov 27, 2006
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  20. aniramca

    Guest Guest

    I have no doubt that an SLR is superior in output quality than an electronic
    optical zoom digital camera.
    Your advise is a good one, you do not buy a suit until you try it on.
    It is just that the size of a 10X SLR would be bulky for me to carry around.
    Most of my shots are taken when I am not looking for the subject and then it
    shows up.
    The only friend I know that has a 300mm Nikon lens is thinking about moving
    up to 500.
    His drawback is the purchasing cost. Plus he said that it would be a good
    time to upgrade to 10MP.
    Thanks for the suggestion.
     
    Guest, Nov 27, 2006
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