Best MP3 recorder for recording audio at shoots?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Ryan Heuser, Mar 17, 2005.

  1. Ryan Heuser

    Ryan Heuser Guest

    I'd like to record my audio externally, but I don't have the money for a
    DAT. Anyone know of a good mp3 recorder? I'd like for it to have a
    decent hard drive size and headphone monitoring.

    Also, is mp3 the way to go? Mini-disc is another option, but is it
    worth the extra capturing time?

    Any comments would be appreciated,
    Ryan
     
    Ryan Heuser, Mar 17, 2005
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  2. "Ryan Heuser" wrote ...
    There has been an ongoing discussion of this for several months
    over at Many (most?) of the people there are professional production
    sound engineers currently working in the industry.

    Why do you think that MP3 will be better than the audio track
    on the camcorder?
     
    Richard Crowley, Mar 17, 2005
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  3. Ryan Heuser

    Ryan Heuser Guest

    I'd like for the camera to be able to be as dynamic as possible. I use
    a handheld stabilization device and use the camera for a lot of movement
    shots. So the less crap I have connected to the camera, the better. :)
    -Ryan
     
    Ryan Heuser, Mar 17, 2005
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    wsc Guest

    Unless you have a way to sync up the camera and the audio device when
    you go to edit you audio and video will drift. Meaning you will have
    to spend a lot of time getting the audio in time with the video.
     
    wsc, Mar 18, 2005
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    Jay Rose CAS Guest

    The 48 kHz 16 bit linear PCM on most consumer or prosumer camcorders (even
    up to the PD170) does not measure as well as a good MiniDisc recorder with
    ATRAK compression.

    The hitch is that consumer portable audio recorders rarely have digital
    outputs, so a lot of people transfer via the headphone or line out into a
    generic sound card. Compare that to the FireWire transfer of a camera
    track.

    There's a lively discussion of using consumer portables for double-system,
    and how to avoid problems, in the audio forum at DV.com.
     
    Jay Rose CAS, Mar 18, 2005
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  6. Jay Rose wrote...
    Thanks, Jay. I was trying to get him to reveal what kind of
    camera he was using so we would have a better concept of
    his parameters.

    I was going to refer him to your article on dv.com (But they
    don't make that very strightforward!)
     
    Richard Crowley, Mar 18, 2005
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  7. Ryan Heuser

    Ryan Heuser Guest

    I'll just be using a clapper and Premiere Pro. Its not TOO bad. And I
    wouldn't use the external source all of the time, but whenever I want to
    move the camera (GL1), the external cord I have running to the boom pole
    will often jam up the movement or just generally be in the way.


    It's a Canon GL1. It has no XLR inputs, so in order to get XLR mic
    input I have to have either a bulky preamp dangling from the side of the
    camera, or a chain of connectors. Both of these are unacceptable during
    handheld movements with my stabilization device (steadicam jr). I'm a
    student filmmaker shooting short narratives, so a lot of the shots are
    dynamic and call for something other than a tripod (and I dont have the
    money for a dolly).

    -Ryan
     
    Ryan Heuser, Mar 18, 2005
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  8. "Ryan Heuser" wrote ...
    I would go over to the www.minidisc.org and see what the
    recommendations are. I am researching something similar
    myself and that is one of my prime starting points.

    What I'd really like is a Hi-MD recorder with decent manual
    level controls (alas, something to which Sony appears to be
    oblivious).
     
    Richard Crowley, Mar 18, 2005
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    Jay Rose CAS Guest

    A clap won't guarantee sync, just that A and V start at the same time.
    Their speed is controlled by separate crystals, and can drift.

    The crystals in prosumer equipment are usually good for about 1 frame
    drift between two machines in twenty minutes, but you could get lucky. On
    the other hand, you could be unlucky... I've had one person report a frame
    drift in six minutes. And if you're using a small , cheap mp3 recorder it
    might not have very wonderful crystals and its speed may also be
    influenced by physical shock and temperature.

    At the least, do a tail slate as well. That way you can measure any errors
    and speed-correct.
     
    Jay Rose CAS, Mar 18, 2005
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