best off the shelf PC for video production

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by jim b, May 8, 2004.

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    jim b Guest

    I know that the best PC's for video production are those that are custom
    built or built specifically for video production. But let's say your only
    choice for a PC that you intend to use for video production is one that is
    bought "off the shelf". I am in such a position. I am narrowing it down to a
    Sony Vaio(rs520) or HP Pavilion (a562n). Both have video editing and DVD
    burning software and a big hard drive. Both have fast processors and DVD
    burners. The Sony graphic card is the ATI Radeon 9200. The HP features a
    NVIDIA® GeForceT FX5200XT AGP 8X graphic card. Both systems are about the
    same price. Any thoughts, comments, or suggestions would be greatly
    appreciated!
    Thanks
     
    jim b, May 8, 2004
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    Laurence Payne, May 8, 2004
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    Rich Guest

    You might want to read over "Videoguys' System recommendations for DTV (Feb
    2004)" for some tips
    http://www.videoguys.com/system.htm

    I have two one year old HP systems which I have been pleased with.

    Rich
     
    Rich, May 8, 2004
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    jim b Guest

    Why?
    Actually it's going to be used by other people mostly for email and internet
    and maybe some games. I also am trying to budget at around $1000 to $1100 if
    possible.
     
    jim b, May 8, 2004
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  5. So why does that stop you building one suitable for video? The other
    applications are trivial.
     
    Laurence Payne, May 8, 2004
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    jim b Guest

    Perhaps you are right IF I could built one that would give me what the Sony
    and HP give me at the same price. The software provided with these 2 off the
    shelfers is the same oddly enough which is InterVideo's Win DVD. It
    captures,edits,and authors apparently although i don't know very much about
    this software.My pick might be Adobe Premiere. Otherwise I hadn't really
    thought about it. Where does one go to custom build one as good as the "off
    the shelfers" for the same price? Any ideas?
     
    jim b, May 8, 2004
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  7. Here in the UK I'd shop around on the Internet and buy mail order for
    all except case and power supply, which I can obtain cheaply locally.
    I specialise in music production machines, but the criteria aren't a
    lot different for video. I'd want to spend about 700UKP on a
    well-specified machine, plus monitor and specialist sound card. But
    I could cut a few corners and do it quite a bit cheaper.
     
    Laurence Payne, May 8, 2004
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    mikep76 Guest

    Before you seriously consider ANY Sony VAIO, go to:
    http://p200.ezboard.com/bunofficialsony
    and read the angry reports detailing the fact that when they tried to
    get upgraded software for their VAIO's, Sony's invariable response is
    that if you want a later versiou of their proprietary software, you
    need to buy a new VAIO with the newer software installed. Even if you
    do, you will find that it is not possible to then install that new
    software on your old VAIO...your recovery CD's are model
    specific...you can only install them on the model they came with.

    If you expect to maintain your computer with up-to-date software, you
    need to look at something other than a VAIO.
     
    mikep76, May 10, 2004
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    jim b Guest

    Thankyou mikep76,
    Actually my last 2 PC's were both Sony's. I'm sort of a big fan of Sony.
    Like anything else you love, there is always going to be detractors.
    However, having said that I am a little disappointed with the software they
    chose to include in this new series of PC's. (the RS series of which I was
    considering the 520). I was looking seriously at the HP a562n also but am
    now thinking of building my own. I've never built one before but it seems a
    custom built might be the way to go even though it seems a bit more
    expensive buying everything separately. Now another question perhaps off
    topic...what the hell is warez? Is it related to all that cheap software
    spam ads I am getting lately? And what's up with that...all those places on
    the net selling expensive software at very cheap prices. Anyone know?
    Thanks
     
    jim b, May 11, 2004
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    David Chien Guest

    thought about it. Where does one go to custom build one as good as the "off
    Piece of cake.

    www.newegg.com

    $200 Shuttle SS56G lunchbox sized PC (comes with everything inside
    except CPU, drives and memory)
    $129 (1) Corsair XMS PC-2700 512MB RAM (usually more than enough for
    most editing apps)
    $137 (1) Western Digital 200GB 7200RPM 8MB WD2000JB Hard drive ( Good
    for ~14 hours of DV storage, or about ~7 hours for DV editing --
    remember, you'll need 2x the standard 13GB / Hour of DV storage capacity
    when you're editing video
    $218 (1) Pentium 4 3.0E 800Mhz processor
    $ 83 (1) NEc ND-2500A 8x DVD burner
    $ 24 (1) Mitsumi 7-in-1 flash memory card reader + 3.5" floppy drive
    (from http://store.yahoo.com/extremepcgear/mitflashfdd.html - entire
    thing fits in one 3.5" bay; extremely useful. allows downloading from
    any digital camera flash card w/o an adapter)
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    $791 Total for an awesome system that's more than ready enough to
    handle any video editing job you toss at it.

    (I'm only running a SS51G with a 2Ghz P4, and that's more than
    capable of handling what I've tossed at it.)

    ----

    If you must, an ATI All-In-Wonder 9800 series starting at $218, which
    will add TV tuner, analog capture and output, and one of the world's
    fastest graphics cards to the above, and an $88 Audigy2 ZS PCI sound
    card for superior audio quality. Total cost then of $1,097.



    Honestly, ask me, and I'd build the above system myself in an hour
    flat rather than deal with any of the pre-built boxes you can buy, which
    will have fewer features and slower processors for the same price.

    With the above system, you can easily import and export DV videos
    with ease, capture client videos from analog sources quickly, have a
    multi-monitor display and preview of the edited video on the analog
    output, edit/capture/output high-quality, low-noise audio at up to
    192kHz sampling rates, burn DVDs at a fast 8x, etc.

    You only need to add your OS & applications of choice -- here,
    Microsoft Windows XP Professional + Vegas Video 5.0 would be an
    excellent choice for almost any job. (Premiere + After Effects is
    another solid choice.) My preference goes to Vegas Video.

    ----

    A cost conscious buyer would substitute a cheaper SS51G at $185, a
    2.4Ghz processor at $137, a 120GB WD 7200rpm 8MB HD at $90 for a base
    system price of $648. Still an highly capable video editing system that
    runs faster than mine, and would easily handle most video editing jobs
    w/o any problems. And IMO, still highly prefered vs. most other
    pre-built boxes due to the size, feature set, and ports (lots of FW &
    USB ports front & back on these Shuttle PCs).
     
    David Chien, May 12, 2004
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    Morrmar Guest

    Honestly, ask me, and I'd build the above system myself in an hour
    That's not been my experience. This January I got a barebones Dell 400SC
    (875P mobo, one of the fastest and upgradeable around) with a 2.8 gig
    processor and then added a meg of memory, WD 120 and 160 gig hd's, and
    LiteOn 8X DVD burner. I then added the ATI All in Wonder and SB Live 5.1
    cards from my old box. After the Dell buyback (thanks fatwallet.com) and
    the various rebates available, my total price including shipping of all
    items (most were free) was $553 USD. Except for the slight gain in
    processor speed in your theoretical system, I'd match the performance of
    my box with that one. And as I'm sure you know, you really need another
    hd in your hypothetical system for optimal video editing.

    I got the impression the op wasn't interested in the building or
    modifying of systems like both our ideas entail. It just depends on what
    your willing to do in order to get the fastest system for the lowest
    price.
     
    Morrmar, May 12, 2004
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    jim b Guest

    This sounds pretty good to me but I have no experience with Dell. I'd like
    to research them a little as I know of only one person who has a Dell and he
    complained bitterly about their support. I am assuming that they will build
    it themselves with these componets before shipping? I would need a nic card
    as it will be hooked to a network for the sole function of sharing the
    internet. I also see a deal on ebay for the Pyro 1394 PCI card and cable,
    with full retail versions of
    Adobe Premiere Pro, DVD Encore, and Audition including manuals and training
    materials for around $400. Anyone know of these cards? Seems like quite a
    deal.
     
    jim b, May 13, 2004
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    Morrmar Guest

    This sounds pretty good to me but I have no experience with Dell. I'd
    like
    build

    Dell consistently is ranked at the very top of reliability ratings, year
    in and year out.
    card

    No, they don't. To get that price, I had to install the hard/DVD drives
    and memory myself, mail in rebate forms, etc. It's not a process for
    everyone and as I said in my previous post, I don't think this is the
    route you're looking for.
    I would be very wary of that offer. I don't know anything about the Pyro
    card but full retail versions of PP, Encore and Audition retail for over
    $1500 USD. Might be counterfeit copies with no support or upgrade
    availability from Adobe. As the cliché goes, if it sounds too good to be
    true, it usually is.
     
    Morrmar, May 13, 2004
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    Rich Guest

    Support is a bit like insurance. You don't know how good it really is until
    you really need it and then you're usually in a bad mood.

    I just received the June issue of Consumer Reports which had an article on
    Desktop Computers (and Laptops). Dell was rated number 2 in repair history
    (Apple was number one). Dell was rated 3 in technical support behind Apple
    and Gateway.

    It was interesting to note that 2% of PC's became completely inoperable and
    6% had serious problems in the first month. Last year one of my new systems
    failed on the 14th day of use from a company which had a 15 day return
    policy. I used it as much as possible during that initial period just to
    insure it would continue to work.

    But then I've gone with HP on my last three purchases because of local
    availability (got to have it now) and actually found better total prices
    locally.

    Rich
     
    Rich, May 13, 2004
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