Best Photo printer please

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by iCod, Sep 2, 2013.

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    iCod Guest

    My Canon ip5000 has died. I need a replacement. Any recomendations
    greatfully received. Ink replacement price is an important issue.

    iCod, Sep 2, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Pro photo printers give you the best ink cost - about 1 ¢ per square inch

    Example: Epson 3880. It has a new cost of about $1300 - but that
    includes a full set of 100% full 80 ml ink cartridges (that's about $500
    worth of ink). So in reality it is a $800 printer. Those large
    cartridges are more expensive (about $50 - $55 per cart) but they
    contain far more ink than the 15ml carts that you pay $20 - $30 for.

    Common ink jet printers (such as you would get at Staples) with scanner
    and fax integration, are about 2 - 4 times more expensive in ink costs -
    but the up front cost is very low ($100 or less).

    Kodak claimed that their personal use printers, while more expensive ,
    had lower ink costs that most ink jets. I do not know if that bears out
    in real life.

    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    Alan Browne, Sep 2, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Ink replacement price is always an important issue. Both Canon & Epson
    are going to make sure those prices are going to stay high. ;-)

    Everything depends on your photo printing needs. If you are looking for
    a dedicated photo printer and are prepare to pay the replacement price
    for your ip5000. My recommendation is an Epson.
    I had (still have) a Canon i9900 which was a great printer, but could
    never get consistent color (especially with blacks) and I was never
    completely satisfied with the prints.
    I bought an Epson R2880 and I couldn't be happier with the results with
    the result that the Canon hasn't been used for photo prints in some 3 +
    Today I would probably go for the Epson R3880 as that uses larger ink
    cartridges. The ink for the R2880 is not inexpensive, but since I am
    not printing large runs of large prints it is not a major burden.
    Savageduck, Sep 2, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Your suggestion is for an excellent high quality printer. And indeed if
    I decide to do fine art printing, it is the one I would purchase.

    If the OP is more concerned about ink costs than quality, he should
    consider any printer for which he is able to get third party ink. We
    don't know what size images he is seeking to make, and the quantity of
    printing he does, therefore, it is difficult to make a recommendation.
    PeterN, Sep 2, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    Can't say I've compared ink prices, but my Epson Stylus Photo 2100 is
    amazingly good. It has seven cartridges and prints at 2880x1440 dpi.
    Sandman, Sep 2, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I assume that anyone making photo prints wants photo quality ink and not
    the hit or miss of 3rd party inks.

    Pro printers such as the 3880 (I have the predecessor 3800 which uses
    the same ink carts except one) are designed for high throughput (not
    that I do high volume). So the ink quality is superior and the cost per
    print is far lower than common inkjets. At a lower capital cost and
    slightly higher ink cost is the printer that the duck mentioned.

    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    Alan Browne, Sep 2, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    The OP should not ignore the cost of photoquality paper. Larger sheets
    are often cheaper than smaller (e.g. A3+ is cheaper than A3) and this
    should be borne in mind when considering printer size. I went through
    this exercise about three years ago and, like PeterN, I ended up
    buying an Epson 3800. I could have bought a cheaper printer but by the
    time I had bought my first set of replacement ink cartridges it had
    already cost me less to run than if I had bought a smaller R2800 (I
    think it was then).
    Eric Stevens, Sep 2, 2013
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    Me Guest

    They sure seem to be doing just that - unfortunately their analysis of
    volume of sales needed vs the highest price the market will bear to
    extract maximum profit hasn't shifted.
    They also geo-lock printers/cartridges to prevent people shipping from
    their low price markets. Epson gave different model names/numbers to
    printers and cartridges sold in Japan vs the rest of the world, making
    it difficult to track down online sellers of OEM cartridges in Japan.
    With some difficulty, you could find the "equivalent" cartridges sold by
    department stores in Japan at about 50% of the US price. But even if
    you could buy them, they won't work in the USA "version" of the printer
    (nor for example would the US cartridges work in European printers -
    where ink costs are even more ridiculous). Some people import the
    larger cartridges from Japan, extract the ink and use that to refill
    local cartridges, or to run CIS in smaller printers.
    Me, Sep 2, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Some third party inks are superb. But, unless you have inside knowledge,
    you really don't know what you are getting.
    However, we really don't know the OP's requirements.
    PeterN, Sep 2, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    On 9/2/2013 3:46 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:

    Minor correction. I do not own any photo printer. I do all my printing
    at Costco. But, as I said, for me a 3880 would be my choice of printers.
    For lower ink prices one would do well with the 4880, but unless the
    OP did a high volume, ink clogging would become a problem.
    PeterN, Sep 2, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    I think the clue to his requirements lies in the printer he is trying
    to replace, a Canon ip5000, which is a $200 general purpose printer of
    2005 vintage. It does a fair enough job for most photo printing, but it
    is not in the same league as the "Pro" level photo printers from the
    Canon & Epson stables. I could be wrong, but I don't think he is moving
    to upgrade to a premium printer in the $700-$1800 range.

    So I think the Epson R3880, R2880, or the Canon Pixma Pro printers are
    not what he is looking for.

    In the $200-$300 price range, I would seriously take a look at one of
    the Epson Artisan printers such as the Epson Artisan 1430.
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    Then both Canon & Epson have multi-purpose "all-in-one" printers which
    might meet his needs for under $200.
    Savageduck, Sep 2, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    It would be folly to use 3rd party inks in my photo printer. It took
    quite a while to get my color control process clear.

    I use 3rd party inks in my Canon home office printer - but then I don't
    care how colour looks coming out of it.
    Too true - and he hasn't replied with more details.

    I did eventually bother to look up what he's replacing and so I somehow
    doubt he's in the market for a 3880 or other high end printer.

    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    Alan Browne, Sep 2, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Yeah! That's what I originally thought. Is this a different printer?
    PeterN, Sep 2, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Looking at the printer the OP is looking to replace, the Canon ip5000,
    I agree that a printing service such as Costco, sharing sites with
    print services such as SmugMug, would be the most economical way to go,
    if more than the occasional print is needed.

    With my R2880 I produce a handful of prints monthly, on 13''x19'',
    11''x17'', and 11''x14'' Red River, UltraPro Gloss, Polar Pearl
    Metallic, and Arctic Polar Satin papers with great results. If my print
    numbers were higher I would lean toward an R3880. I have not had any
    ink clogging issues with my low volume print runs. I can't say the same
    for my Canon i9900 or my old ink wasting, jet clogger, Epson 870.

    That said I think the OP would be happy replacing his ip5000 with a
    more contemporary general purpose photo printer in the $150-$300 range,
    and farm out any bulk print orders.
    My recommendation in that case would be one of the Epson Artisan printers.
    Savageduck, Sep 2, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

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    PeterN Guest

    Yup! You would have to recalibrate for the colors. We had a reliable ink
    supplier here, who supplied very high quality inks, at prices that were
    about 1/3 of OEM, but Epson put him out of business.
    PeterN, Sep 2, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    I have an Epson Artisan 710 "all-in-one" printer that I'm quite happy
    with. I use it primarily for 4 x 6 prints of family snapshots, and
    really appreciate that the paper drawer has a separate compartment for
    photo print paper. No need to take out the drawer and change from
    bond to photo. There are six ink cartridges that allow changing only
    when the individual color is expended. I've never had one dry out the
    way Epson ink used to. I use Epson print paper.

    For large prints, I use a camera shop and for multiple snapshots I use
    Costco. It's easier for me to use Costco for, say, a dozen prints
    than it is for me to print them and use up ink.

    I think the printer was between $100 and $150, but I forget how much
    it was. It's "wireless", but I've never set that up.
    Tony Cooper, Sep 3, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    We had an Artisan all in one that just decided to stop working. the
    error message was that the feeder was jammed. Noting was jammed in that
    machine. Epson said it was a bad sensor. It was cheaper to replace the
    machine that fix the sensor. (I replaced it with an HP laser all in one.)
    PeterN, Sep 3, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Not just recalibrate for 3rd party. But recalibrate every time a cart
    was changed. In my printer that's 5 colour and 4 black carts.

    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    Alan Browne, Sep 3, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Lack of consistency is a known issue with third party ink suppliers.
    PeterN, Sep 3, 2013
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