Beware of Adobe Premiere CS4

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Brian, Jun 10, 2010.

  1. Brian

    Brian Guest

    I have always like Adobe products but I found out recently that Adobe
    Premiere CS5 will only operate on a 64 bit operating system, something
    that people should be aware of. It's getting that way that you need a
    dedicated computer for video editing. I'm still happy with my Adobe
    Premiere Elements 7 (but might upgrade to version 8) as it has all he
    tools I need.

    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Jun 10, 2010
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  2. Brian

    Brian Guest

    Sorry but the header should read Adobe Premiere CS5.

    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Jun 10, 2010
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  3. Brian

    J. Clarke Guest

    Bullshit. Yeah, it needs 64 bit Windows, but my video board cost about
    a hundred bucks and works fine.
    If you existing processor is not 64 bit then there is no "maybe" about
    the motherboard, and if it is 64 bit then why do you need a new one?
    What do you mean by "reprogramming your whole computer"? Every time you
    boot it up you reprogram it.
    Probably a wise decision, but don't do it because you think it needs a
    bunch of crap that it doesn't need.
     
    J. Clarke, Jun 13, 2010
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  4. Brian

    J. Clarke Guest

    Thank you for parroting what I said.
    Then there is no "maybe". There are no 64 bit processors that will fit
    into a socket formerly occupied by a 32 bit processor.
    Maybe _you_ do. Perhaps you should hire a competent technician to do
    this work for you next time. Going from 32 to 64 bit requires a clean
    install, but replacing the motherboard, you install a rump Windows,
    restore from backup, update drivers, and you're done.
     
    J. Clarke, Jun 13, 2010
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  5. My main reservation regarding at least earlier Adobe editors (CS3 and
    before - I don't know about CS4/5) for use with editing HDV is that,
    while an m2t file can be made and saved using the edited material, it
    cannot be simply brought into a new project and then exported without
    recompressing it (or saving the original project and source material,
    and again compressing it to export it). Just about any other $50 program
    can do this correctly, with a straight export...
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Jun 13, 2010
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  6. Brian

    J. Clarke Guest

    Count up I believe 11 lines and you will find "Yeah, it needs 64 bit
    Windows".
    The same kind that they have been making from the time of the invention
    of the computer. People who have never written an operating system or
    programmed in machine code don't really understand how computers work.
    Those who have find expressions like "reprogramming your whole computer"
    laughable.
    A minimal installation.
    YOU can't. I've done it three times in the past six months.
    Or you could go down to Best Buy and pick up a new machine for 500 bucks.
    The "$800 video board" for one thing.
     
    J. Clarke, Jun 13, 2010
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  7. Brian

    Paul Guest

    Well, that's a fun question. Let's give it a try.

    My current motherboard is P5E Deluxe, LGA775. These
    are all the processors I can pop into the socket.

    http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5E Deluxe

    OK, we'll try a couple entries from the list.

    P4-520/520J (2.8E GHz) (800 FSB) (E0) ALL 0105
    P4-521 (2.8GHz, 800 FSB,HT, L2 1MB)(D0,E0) ALL 0105

    Using the "Ark"...

    The 520 is 32 bit.

    http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27459&processor=520&spec-codes=SL7J5,SL7KJ,SL82V

    The 521 is 64 bit (EM64T)

    http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27461&processor=521&spec-codes=SL88H,SL8HX,SL8PP,SL9CG

    So I could do an upgrade from a non-EM64T processor to
    an EM64T processor. EM64T is backward compatible, and
    continues to have both 32 bit and 64 bit instructions.

    I can also find instances on the AMD platform, of some obscure
    Sempron 32 bit, for which a 64 bit processor could be popped
    into the socket. But that search would be a lot harder to do,
    due to the way AMD chooses to provide information. If I wanted
    an AMD socket guaranteed to not support 64 bit, that would be
    Socket A (S462). The 32/64 case would be a socket later than that.

    Maybe there is some other aspect of the processors you were
    thinking of ?

    Paul
     
    Paul, Jun 13, 2010
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  8. Brian

    Paul Guest

    Look up your Crosshair here.

    http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us

    For the product whose name is just "Crosshair" (Crosshair V1), I don't see
    any Phenom II entries. In the returned list, I also notice there are no
    140W processors in the list. The highest power processor is 125W. So I
    would hesitate to stick a 140W processor in there, in any case.

    http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=crosshair

    AFAIK, a family like Phenom should all be 64 bit capable (AMD64).
    The available info would be on the so-called product page,
    under desktop processors.

    http://products.amd.com/en-us/

    For example, the Phenom II 940 has both 32 bit and 64 bit operating modes as "Yes".

    http://products.amd.com/en-na/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=509

    *******

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM3

    "As AM3 processors also support DDR2, they are backwards-compatible with
    Socket AM2/AM2+, contingent upon a BIOS update for the motherboard.
    Manufacturers including Asus,[6] Gigabyte,[7] and others have labeled
    existing AM2/AM2+ boards as being "AM3 Ready" or similar, indicating
    that BIOS support is provided for the specified boards. This allows
    existing AM2/AM2+ systems to upgrade the CPU without having to upgrade
    any other components."

    *******

    If the CPU Support page is not being very helpful, you'll have to check
    the forum here, to see if anyone has experimented with processors not
    in the official list. The main risk with this, is some function not
    working right, rather than the thing blowing up.

    http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=Crosshair&SLanguage=en-us

    For example, this is the first thread discussing using Phenom II. One
    poster is claiming he used a "1304 BIOS", of size 1048576 bytes when unzipped.

    http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx...d_id=1&model=Crosshair&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

    Now, the thing is, one of the download sources doesn't have a 1304. Only
    a 1207. When that file is unzipped, it is 1,048,576 bytes. This is the
    most recent BIOS I can see here.

    ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/asus/mb/socketAM2/Crosshair/

    1207.zip 636 KB 10/13/2008 12:00:00 AM

    Maybe there was a 1304 BIOS but it was withdrawn ? Or
    maybe that poster (who seems to have spewed that info to
    a few different forums), was using a BIOS for another
    motherboard ? In any case, sifting through the vip.asus.com
    forum for your board, should give some idea of the risks
    or issues involved. You're on "shaky ground", if the processor
    isn't in the official list. But if someone else has done
    it, that tells you the "magic smoke" didn't escape.

    Paul
     
    Paul, Jun 14, 2010
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  9. If you order the Master or Production CS5, you will get a complimentary copy
    of Premiere/AE CS4 until you upgrade your system to 64-bit.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 18, 2010
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  10. Brian

    BJ Guest

    Wow. Just got Production CS5. Coming from CS3. Confirmed. This
    might put off that upgrade for a little while.

    But not too long, core2duos seem so...slow these days, and might as
    well upgrade the OS if you're going to upgrade the hardware...

    BJ
     
    BJ, Jun 30, 2010
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  11. Brian

    Tony Guest

    It needs Vista or 7 Home Premium at least. See the Adobe system
    That's fine, Why should they put all that work to make it work with a soon to be obsolete OS. You
    can't buy XP anymore and 99.9% of all new PCs do not come with it. Plus, MS has announced that all
    support will be gone within a few years or so. CS5 needs the power of 64 bit. I'm sure that they
    dont want their new CS5 to chug along with 32 bit OS because of it's 3GB max of Ram limitation.
    Everything is so cheap now, it costs no more now to buy a 64 bit machine than it did to buy a 32 bit
    pc a couple of years back.

    Tony

    Not true. A simple repair installation of Windows XP works 99% of the time otherwise, it blue
    screens when you simply replace the MB. You just have to know how to do it. A novice cannot.
     
    Tony, Jul 4, 2010
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  12. Brian

    Brian Guest

    If you do a lot of video editing then your likely to buy a computer
    only for video editing so installing a 64 bit operating system for
    Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 should not be a problem.
    I'm told that it requires 16 Gb of memory and not all motherboards can
    support that much memory.
     
    Brian, Jul 18, 2010
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  13. Brian

    BJ Guest

    Mmmm, that's 16GB of disk space; 2GB ram, 4GB recommended...

    And again, production premium CS5 comes with PP & AE CS4, which
    will run on a 32-bit system.

    I'm mainly upgrading my machine because HDV takes so long to
    render... :)

    (Anyone running a i7-980X machine? I'm waffling between the
    980X, 975 Extreme and the 960 or 950. There's a $500 spread
    between CPU's there...)

    BJ
     
    BJ, Jul 19, 2010
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