BitTorrent

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Ivan, Apr 16, 2006.

  1. Ivan

    Ivan Guest

    Please forgive my naivety (but I'm venturing into new territory with my
    computer) over on uk.politics someone posted a link for TV show (Robert
    Newman's History of Oil) which they said could be downloaded with a
    programme called BitTorrent.

    Only having a vague idea of what this was all about I decided to download
    BitTorrent from their site and give it a whirl, after installing it on my
    computer I then downloaded the TV show into a temporary folder.

    Rather than watch it on my computer I decided to try and burn it onto a
    DVD+RW using Nero, and have to say that I was more than impressed with the
    resulting picture and sound quality, which played faultlessly on my TV from
    beginning to end.

    However there was one slight oddity, a green bar along the bottom of the
    picture, out of curiosity does anyone know if this was this caused by
    something I did, or is it deliberately included for a reason?

    Cheers Ivan
     
    Ivan, Apr 16, 2006
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  2. Ivan

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Yes, it's deliberate, you have not paid the correct 'rights fee' to
    watch the copyright protected programme....

    Oh, and next time, ask in the correct place you twat, try
    comp.hacking,piracy or comp,copyright.piracy.

    [ Follow-up's set ]
     
    :::Jerry::::, Apr 16, 2006
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  3. Ivan

    Ivan Guest

    :::Jerry:::: wrote:
    || ||| Please forgive my naivety (but I'm venturing into new territory
    ||| with my computer) over on uk.politics someone posted a link for TV
    ||| show (Robert Newman's History of Oil) which they said could be
    ||| downloaded with a programme called BitTorrent.
    |||
    || <snip>
    |||
    ||| However there was one slight oddity, a green bar along the bottom
    ||| of the picture, out of curiosity does anyone know if this was this
    ||| caused by something I did, or is it deliberately included for a
    ||| reason?
    |||
    ||
    || Yes, it's deliberate, you have not paid the correct 'rights fee' to
    || watch the copyright protected programme....
    ||
    || Oh, and next time, ask in the correct place you twat, try
    || comp.hacking,piracy or comp,copyright.piracy.
    ||
    || [ Follow-up's set ]




    This was a TV programme which I missed from a couple of days ago, which had
    I known it was on could have legitimately recorded it on my VCR or or DVD
    recorder, so where pray tell me does copyright enter into the equation?
     
    Ivan, Apr 16, 2006
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  4. Ivan

    John Russell Guest

    BitTorrent is just a download protocol which has been developed by the
    "Internet community" rather than big business. It can be used to share legal
    and illegal copyright material. Case law has never approved the copying of
    material by one user for the use of others!


    Saw Click! on BBC News24 yesterday where it was saying that big business
    where now realising how ingenious BitTorrent is and are going to start using
    it for the download on films. The crucial thing is not how the files are
    downloaded, but what copy protection the downloaded files have. So expect to
    see DRM embedded in these legal files.

    The only fly in the ointment is that currently over 50% of broadband is now
    being used by bittorent, slowing it down. ISP's are now introducing
    techniques to prioritise net transactions so that large file downloads don't
    clog the system.
     
    John Russell, Apr 16, 2006
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  5. Ivan

    Ivan Guest

    John Russell wrote:
    |||
    |||
    ||
    || BitTorrent is just a download protocol which has been developed by
    || the "Internet community" rather than big business. It can be used to
    || share legal and illegal copyright material. Case law has never
    || approved the copying of material by one user for the use of others!
    ||
    ||
    || Saw Click! on BBC News24 yesterday where it was saying that big
    || business where now realising how ingenious BitTorrent is and are
    || going to start using it for the download on films. The crucial thing
    || is not how the files are downloaded, but what copy protection the
    || downloaded files have. So expect to see DRM embedded in these legal
    || files.
    ||
    || The only fly in the ointment is that currently over 50% of broadband
    || is now being used by bittorent, slowing it down. ISP's are now
    || introducing techniques to prioritise net transactions so that large
    || file downloads don't clog the system.



    Thanks for the explanation John, as I pointed out in my OP, until I gave it
    a try I only had a vague inkling of what BitTorrent was all about, and
    therefore found it very useful to be able to view a TV programme which I had
    missed, something I can do with the BBC listen (and view) again facility.
     
    Ivan, Apr 16, 2006
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  6. Ivan

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Time-shifting is allowed, redistribution is not, so the copy that the
    you downloaded was illegal. Try reading the Copyright Act, also FYI,
    you shouldn't even keep Time-shifted [recorded] programmes, you may
    only keep them for a reasonable time period, although how long that
    time period is has been left to the courts to decide.
     
    :::Jerry::::, Apr 16, 2006
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  7. Ivan

    Ivan Guest

    :::Jerry:::: wrote:
    |||
    ||
    || Time-shifting is allowed, redistribution is not, so the copy that the
    || you downloaded was illegal. Try reading the Copyright Act, also FYI,
    || you shouldn't even keep Time-shifted [recorded] programmes, you may
    || only keep them for a reasonable time period, although how long that
    || time period is has been left to the courts to decide.



    Coincidentally a good description of BitTorrent for the uninitiated in
    today's BBC Online News.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/4905660.stm
     
    Ivan, Apr 16, 2006
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  8. Ivan

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    That doesn't alter the fact that the original file was illegal, your
    copy is illegal and that you have no right to make a permanent copy -
    not to mention that this is totally off topic for the group, so
    please take you BitTorrented illegal copy and stick it were the sun
    don't sh....
     
    :::Jerry::::, Apr 16, 2006
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  9. Ivan

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Because it is illegal to distribute in any form such programs. And it is
    illegal to download and view any such distributed programs. Such is
    copyright.

    OTOH it is not illegal to record a program for your own viewing
    purposes, since that program has not been illegally distributed.

    A similar distinction is made for music and movies.
     
    Tony Morgan, Apr 16, 2006
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  10. Ivan

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <444222fd$>, John Russell
    I'm not sure if that is true. IME more of those downloading large
    amounts of (pirated) content use News Rover, which has more useful
    features in that respect than Bittorrent.
    Most of the low-cost ISPs have always restricted downloading - either
    through choking binary downloads, or by restricting the amount of data
    that can be downloaded each month. Some (like Pipex) also offer a binary
    "add-on" service that allows you more downloads (at higher speeds) by
    subscription.

    There are of course one or two more expensive ISPs (like Zen) who have
    no restrictions at all.

    Essentially - you get what you pay for.

    In respect to the OP, there are programs like DVD43, which circumvent
    copy protection., and are effective with all newsreaders.
     
    Tony Morgan, Apr 16, 2006
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  11. Ivan

    John Russell Guest

    It was a quote from Click. So you can believe it or not, just as we chose to
    believe you or not.
     
    John Russell, Apr 17, 2006
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  12. Ivan

    RobDee Guest

    This sort of thing is usually the result of incorrect settings when encoding
    the original video. There are numerous folks out there who for various
    reasons share video files across the net. The problem is many of them,
    despite often good intentions, are not aware of all the issues involved. A
    friend of mine uses BitTorrent to collect / distribute unofficial video
    material recorded at music festivals etc. These recordings are almost always
    amateur and have the *unofficial* blessing (providing not ditributed for
    commercial gain) of the performers / their representatives, as they are
    often the only such records of particular events, that would otherwise be
    lost to posterity. He's into all that early Rock stuff.

    As I say, however well intentioned, these rcordings are very often badly
    encoded - black bars, green bars, out of synch sound etc. - in fact this is
    where my friend turned to me for help in correcting some of these problems.
    I pointed him in the direction of one or two good websites and he has now
    become proficient in correcting many of these errors, leaving me to
    concentrate on my own work.

    Rob
     
    RobDee, Apr 17, 2006
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  13. Ivan

    G Hardy Guest

    Sorry to be pedantic, but it's unlawful, not illegal. The police only get
    involved if there is likely to be a breach of the peace when the relevant
    authorities arrive to gain evidence for a civil case.

    Apparently it is fine to "time shift" video by recording a program for later
    viewing, but it is not lawful to keep that recording. It is not lawful to
    record a program and then give it to someone else to watch, so it is
    certainly not lawful to download "Coronation Street" which you missed
    because (say) you were at the pub and forgot to set the video timer.

    Current discussion going on in uk.legal.moderated...
     
    G Hardy, Apr 17, 2006
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  14. Ivan

    John Russell Guest

    But you shouldn't link "downloading" with copyright infringement as an
    absolute. The BBC is experimenting with downloading programs to help those
    who miss program broadcasts, and SKY is rumoured to be going the same way.
    King Kong is being made available for download at the same time as on DVD.
     
    John Russell, Apr 17, 2006
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  15. Ivan

    G Hardy Guest

    You're quite right - and one of the problems with things like BitTorrent is
    that it is a massively useful distribution mechanism for people like us, who
    might want to get a film out into the wild with the least possible hit on
    our pockets, but the program's use as a vehicle for unlawfully copied films
    means many ISPs block the default ports that it uses.
     
    G Hardy, Apr 17, 2006
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  16. Ivan

    Ed Chilada Guest

    News Rover's a client, not a protocol. It simply accesses Usenet feeds
    using NNTP, as do *many* other clients.
     
    Ed Chilada, Apr 19, 2006
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  17. Ivan

    Ed Chilada Guest

    Wow, talk about an over-reaction! The poor guy's just obtained a copy
    of a programme that was on TV a few days ago. It's hardly grand theft
    and distribution is it! I've done this before now, it's quite useful
    to be able to get a copy of something that everyone's talking about
    the day after but which you didn't record or see.
     
    Ed Chilada, Apr 19, 2006
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  18. Ivan

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    You certainly seem to be the one with the problem around these parts,
    two posts to your 'posting history' and both are nothing but trolls -
    says far more about you and your intellect than it does mine!

    BTW, alt.troll is that way, as is Hell ====>>>>
     
    :::Jerry::::, Apr 20, 2006
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  19. Ivan

    Jelly Guest


    Oh ignore old Jerry. Hes been the Usenet fuckwit for years
    Changes his name ever few months to avoid peoples killfiles too
     
    Jelly, Apr 21, 2006
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