Black and White (and Blue)

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by embee, Dec 12, 2004.

  1. embee

    embee Guest

    Hi, I've been experimenting with black and white printing using my Epson
    1280 printer and I am unhappy with the results. I've noticed my prints have
    a distinct blue tinge in grey areas and I recently printed an A3 sized
    mozaic of more than 160 BW crops from pictures of a recent holiday which
    really is very blue when viewed under daylight (although it's not as
    noticable under tungsten light).

    I made the pictures black and white using the Monochrome option under the
    Channel Mixer in Photoshop 7. I kept the Blue Channel input to a minimum
    because looking at the Channels, blue is the worst channel. A typical
    picture would be about 40 per cent red, 50 per cent Green and 10 per cent
    blue and they look fine on the screen.

    Is the blueness due to the limitations of my printer for Black and White
    printing? I'm happy with my colour prints, but Black and White just lacks
    any impact and is too blue. Before I give up completely and take my black
    and whites to a printing lab in future, can anybody explain what is going

    embee, Dec 12, 2004
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  2. You just need to go into printer properties and ensure it is black ink only
    graciette belform, Dec 12, 2004
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  3. 1. Going to black ink only (as suggested in another post) may cure the color
    problem but it will result in a grainy print. These printers are designed
    to print using all colors to obtain smooth tonality. That said, it is
    difficult to obtain a true neutral black on these printers.
    2. Don't confuse the ratio of colors in channel mixer with the shade of
    black (blue, purple or whatever cast) in the print. The color cast in the
    print is a result of the printer printing "profile". Worse, the color inks,
    when mixed to produce black and white, tend to exhibit "metamerism", which
    mean that the color cast changes depending on the light source used to view
    the print.
    3. If you want to continue to use the1280. it may be best to convert it to
    B & W inks exclusively, as suggested in another post.
    4. Perhaps the best option, if you don't mind spending the money, is to get
    a printer that handles B & W better. I use an Epson 2200, and print using
    Colorbyte Software's "ImagePrint" product. This is a Raster Image Processor
    (RIP) that does produce outstanding B & W prints without metamerism, and
    excellent color as well. The down side is cost. The printer is > $500, and
    the RIP is about $500 for the lite version (which is all you need). There
    is also another product available (basically a profile, I believe) that is
    much cheaper and can produce good B & W from the 2200 but does not address

    Good luck.
    Dick Frederick, Dec 12, 2004
  4. Does not really work. Using black ink only will not
    get enough richness in the print. Maximum density,
    evenness and fineness in the grey scale all will suffer.

    There are special monochrome or low gamut inks you
    can use in your printer if you want to print high
    quality B&W.

    Roland Karlsson, Dec 12, 2004
  5. embee

    David Zou Guest

    I have seen from steven digital cameras that some HP comes with dedicated
    grey scale cartilage and does a decent job.
    It's on the slow end but any one has any idea about the printing qualities
    from HP inkjet?
    David Zou, Dec 12, 2004
  6. embee

    bob Guest

    Something you might want to experiment with, since you are using PS, is
    duotone. After you convert the image to grayscale, the Duotone mode will
    become available. It converts the image into a slightly colored image,
    similar to toned images in the traditional sense. But you can use different
    tones for highlight and shadow.

    If you use a slightly warm tone it will probably offset the blue cast you

    bob, Dec 13, 2004
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