"Blind Fold"

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  1. suzzie

    suzzie Guest

    Hi I am trying to get a business together. My plan is to create a
    photography magazine that is censored. When I look in photo magazines
    I always see nude pictures, well I want to get a magazine started
    where there are no nude photographs at all, then my six-year nephew
    can look at the photographs. I need your guys feed back to know if
    this nagazine will sell or not. What do you think? Thank you.
     
    suzzie, Aug 1, 2003
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  2. Well, on the one hand yes, it's a good idea.
    Frankly I don't care much for nude photographs, but you have a real problem
    with where to draw the line. You have a massive debate on your hands as to
    what constitutes gratuitous nudity and what is art - there's no real
    defining answer. I suppose you're best line of defense is simply to rule out
    nudity altogether - but how do you decide what goes in and what doesn't?
    It's a dilemma that can't easily be quantified.

    Chris.
     
    Chris Barnard, Aug 1, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest



    It never ceases to amaze me that people think "nude" photos are bad for
    children. Graphic sexual depictions, I agree should not be shown to
    children, but the simple nude form?

    Sure, you can make a photo-magazine that is "nude free". But any
    magazine has to have a reason to be on the market.

    Good luck.
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 1, 2003
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    Colyn Guest

    A lot of people will take this as saying you should dictate what they
    can and cannot look at..
    You have the mistaken idea that nudity is bad for kids..

    Remember, many young kids took baths with their brothers and sisters
    and saw nothing bad with seeing their siblings nude..

    If you teach kids that the human body is bad to look at, you create
    problems for them when they get older.

    Porn is another thing all together..
    I doubt it...
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    Matt Clara Guest

    I agree with Colyn and Alan here.

    How about a magazine that in some way censors every photograph in it, not
    just nudes, and in doing so tries to make a political/ideological statement?
    In which case, Blindfold would be a great title for it.

    And sure, you could show it to your nephew, too. He won't get it, but
    that's ok.

    On second thought, the shtick would get old quick. Might be a good idea for
    a book, though.

    No, I wouldn't buy your magazine. Try Lenswork. Great photos, haven't seen
    a nude yet in over twenty issues.
     
    Matt Clara, Aug 1, 2003
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    Logan McMinn Guest

    If all your magazine has to offer is that it will not show nudes, then
    I think it is doomed from the start. If you want to start a magazine,
    then you must first tell what it WILL show, and why. Basing a magazine
    philosophy simply on what it WON'T show is pointless.
     
    Logan McMinn, Aug 1, 2003
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  7. ROTFLMAO!!!!

    Haven't seen one of these before!!! How often does this sort of troll show
    up here? I guess something of this sort is inevitable in a news group
    about photography, but it is certainly saddening to witness.

    Wonder why an equipment news group? Anyone know? Is there something about
    r.p.e.35mm that makes it relevant to this sort of thing? If this group was
    rec.photo.publications, or the like, a post of this sort might be
    understandable, but here? Oh well.....

    <shrug...>

    Bill Tallman
     
    William D. Tallman, Aug 1, 2003
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    Bowser Guest

    You'll go broke. People will always preach "morality," but will always buy
    the one with the babes.
     
    Bowser, Aug 1, 2003
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  9. You might dedicate your magazine to portraits of well known and/or important
    people. CEO's, politicians, character actors, stage actors, opera
    stars/performers, musicians and the like. The portraits could be of
    nice-looking, or interesting people, but not any nude shots. Once the
    magazine established a reputation for tasteful portraits, it would be easier
    for you to get more important people to pose for your photographers. Either
    that, or you would go broke before it came to that..........
     
    William Graham, Aug 1, 2003
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    Lisa Horton Guest

    Shouldn't you be more concerned with your nephew's exposure to violence
    rather than something natural and healthy?

    Lisa
     
    Lisa Horton, Aug 1, 2003
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    How would you establish what content is shown? Would you follow existing
    guidelines already established by other publications, and the US
    government?
    I nice thought, though there are some great examples of photography
    already in several magazines, and excluding nudity. National Geographic
    occasionally has photos with nude native peoples, however, they have a
    publication called Traveller (or Adventure), that I am fairly certain has
    none.

    Some of the more gear oriented magazines do not show nudes at all. While
    I do not feel the level of photography is that good, Popular Photography,
    and Shutterbug are some other choices.

    You may want to check with the Saudi, or Kuwaiti government offices for
    guidelines. They actively censored publications showing too much of
    women. It might be a step further than you want to go, but often
    religious organizations may have some guidelines. You could also consult
    with your local church, and see what they recommend.
    I think that in the big cities, you would find little audience. If you
    marketed it as a children's publication, you might get better results.
    Nudity in some form has been a part of art for centuries. Even today,
    getting a degree in art involves life drawing, which is drawing a nude
    model. While I have heard of some religious colleges having the models
    where full spandex suits, this is rare.

    I think a larger problem of society is violence. Another bad aspect of
    society is poverty. It is noble to attempt to shelter young people from
    the bad things of society, but eventually they will grow up, and find a
    need to deal with the bad aspects of life. If you maintain a balance, can
    see issues on all sides without bias, and present issues with honesty,
    your example can be a good guide to young people. I wish you luck.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    Alliance Graphique Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com>
     
    Gordon Moat, Aug 1, 2003
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  12. I think that boys fall into two categories. In the first group are
    boys who are too young to understand or care about nude photos. They
    might giggle a bit, or even be grossed out, but they won't be harmed
    by seeing pictures of the naked ladies. The second group are young
    men who are not yet of adult age, but who have developed an
    appreciation for the female form. Such boys will not be harmed by
    nude photos, but will instead enjoy them. So I see no particular
    reason for a nude-free photo magazine.
     
    Pete McCutchen, Aug 1, 2003
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  13. Well then.....How about a magazine where relatively well known people have
    their portraits published nude only. - No matter who you are, or how old you
    are, or what you are well known for, if you want your portrait in this
    magazine, you will have to pose nude. You can call it, "Nude
    Magazine".......
     
    William Graham, Aug 2, 2003
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    stan Guest

    As long as they aren't shootng each other.
    Stan
    Visual Arts Photography
     
    stan, Aug 2, 2003
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  15. There is a very nice magazine in GB called, "New Scientist". It is a weekly,
    and I read it for years, because the company I worked for bought it for me,
    so I didn't have to pay the postage from GB myself. I wrote to them once and
    suggested, (tongue in cheek) that they change their name to, "Nude
    Scientist", and include a centerfold photograph every week of some prominent
    scientist, or Nobel Prize winner in the nude. I told them that the noteriety
    that this would bring them would probably multiply their circulation by a
    factor of three or four, and since the magazine would be otherwise
    unchanged, they could only profit from such a change, and become more widely
    read. I received no answer to this suggestion, but then, I really didn't
    expect to receive one.
     
    William Graham, Aug 2, 2003
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  16. Thank you for the measured, thoughtful, mature response! Heheheh.
     
    Skip Middleton, Aug 2, 2003
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  17. As one who regularly shoots images of nudes, and displays them in galleries,
    I find your idea very disturbing. The nude form has been a part of art for
    as long as there has been art. To impart to a child that there is something
    wrong with the human nude, or that it is wrong to view it, can lead to many
    negative outcomes. It is not healthy, and also, since art is still taught
    in schools, at least until the next round of budget cuts, can also lead to a
    lack of understanding of art standards.
    Anyway, there are a plethora of photo magazines out there that do not have
    nudes, "Outdoor Photography" springs to mind...
     
    Skip Middleton, Aug 2, 2003
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  18. Of course, what I find really disturbing is the thought that we've been so
    successfully trolled. Notice the lack of participation since the original
    post? Hook, line and sinker...all of us.
     
    Skip Middleton, Aug 2, 2003
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  19. [Ahem!]

    *Some* of us recognized it for what it was, and only took the
    opportunity to spread a little humor ;-).


    - Al.
     
    Al Denelsbeck, Aug 2, 2003
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    Bob Sull Guest

    I wouldn't buy your magazine knowing that is was censored.

    I choose the magazines I buy and select those that have articles of
    interest to me. There may be nudes or there may not be nudes in those
    that I buy. Occasionally I buy a magazine because of the nude article
    so that I may study the techniques used in the shoot. I tend to not buy
    those that are sexually oriented, read pornographic, but if the subject
    is tastefully posed, I see nothing wrong with nude photography.

    Bob
     
    Bob Sull, Aug 2, 2003
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