Bloomberg hints at DSLR coffin being nailed

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Sep 11, 2011.

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    Robert Coe Guest

    Robert Coe, Sep 11, 2011
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    Mike Guest

    Gee I think Nikon and Canon aren't going anywhere too soon, 2010 stats.

    ALL digicams (including interchangeable lens systems):
    Canon........ 19%
    Sony......... 17.9
    Nikon........ 12.6
    Samsung...... 11.1
    Panasonic..... 7.6
    Kodak......... 7.4
    Olympus....... 6.1
    Fujfilm....... 4.9
    Casio......... 4.0
    Pentax....... 1.5
    Other......... 7.9

    Interchangeable lens only (DSLR, mirrorless, etc.):
    Canon....... 44.5%
    Nikon....... 29.8%
    Sony........ 11.9%
    Others...... 13.8%
     
    Mike, Sep 11, 2011
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    John A. Guest

    Is that revenue or unit sales?
     
    John A., Sep 11, 2011
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    Mike Guest

    Sorry current Industry "Market Share"

    Mike
     
    Mike, Sep 11, 2011
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    Paul Furman Guest

    In the US, world or Japan? The OP is talking about the Japanese market,
    primarily. From the linked story:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...rrors-means-opportunity-for-sony-cameras.html
    "Mirrorless cameras accounted for 40.5 percent of SLR sales in [Japan]
    in July, surging from 5 percent in early 2009, according to BCN.

    Globally, sales of mirrorless cameras surged fivefold to 2.1 million
    units in 2010, and their share of the overall SLR market may climb to 23
    percent in 2011 from 16 percent, according to Macquarie Group Ltd.
    estimates last month.
    ....
    Mirrorless cameras have yet to catch on outside of Japan, allowing Canon
    to hang on to an estimated 45 percent share of the global market for
    SLRs. Nikon accounts for about 30 percent, according to researcher IDC."

    Heh: Mirrorless cameras accounted for 40.5 percent of SLR sales"
    -mirrorless aren't SLRS! ;-)
     
    Paul Furman, Sep 11, 2011
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    John A. Guest

    Let's call them SBPMs - Snappy-Boxy Picture Makers.
     
    John A., Sep 11, 2011
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    Irwell Guest

    "What's in a name, that which we call a rose by any other
    name will smell just as sweet"
     
    Irwell, Sep 11, 2011
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  9. That sounds too close to "hopey-changey stuff."
     
    Neil Harrington, Sep 12, 2011
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    Rich Guest

    Sony is ahead of Nikon?! I never knew that had happened.
     
    Rich, Sep 12, 2011
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  11. Best version I've heard is "EVIL": Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable
    Lens.

    Somehow I doubt it'll catch on; but it's my favorite and I'm going to
    keep pushing it whenever I can. Miracles are possible! After all,
    "SCSI" is pronounced "scuzzy" :).
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Sep 12, 2011
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    Bruce Guest


    Here in the UK, the camera importers and photography magazine editors
    seem to have agreed on "Compact System Cameras" or CSCs.

    Whether the buying public will adopt it is another matter. ;-)
     
    Bruce, Sep 12, 2011
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  13. It won't, for obvious reasons, except among people who don't like them.
    Yes, but "scuzzy" is not such a commonly understood word as "evil."

    A problem with "EVIL" is that everyone who uses it in connection with ILCs
    seems to be doing so with a smirk. Good luck with your dedication to the
    project, but it will never catch on. :)
     
    Neil Harrington, Sep 12, 2011
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  14. I don't think it works. "System camera" implies a camera with some number of
    dedicated accessories such as lenses, flash units, remote controls, etc. In
    those terms, my Coolpix 8700 and 8800 are system cameras, and I think it is
    reasonable to call them such.

    Lens interchangeability is what sets the ILCs apart. When the Nikon ILC
    appears it will probably not be as much of a "compact system camera" as my
    old 8700, really.
     
    Neil Harrington, Sep 12, 2011
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    Bruce Guest


    I accept your point about CSC. However, it is very difficult to find
    a precise term that adequately describes mirrorless cameras.

    The use of ILC is highly confusing because any SLR or rangefinder
    camera with interchangeable lenses is also an ILC. Surely the whole
    idea is to come up with a term that differentiates mirrorless cameras
    from these?
     
    Bruce, Sep 12, 2011
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  16. I disagree that "system camera" is a reasonable description for those;
    if it lacks interchangeable lenses, then it can't qualify as a system
    camera.
    Just calling the whole category ILCs at least makes sense.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Sep 12, 2011
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  17. I dunno, I think perhaps the point is to emphasize that they have a lot
    more in common with DSLRs and Leica rangefinders than they do with P&Ss.

    My whole time in photography we've used "SLR" to mean "serious
    camera", basically, and just quietly accepted that an M4 was a serious
    camera even though it wasn't an SLR. And that sheet-film cameras were
    too, but most people didn't even know they existed.

    "Serious camera" is no good, it's a value judgment, and people will game
    it badly. But ILC isn't too bad an alternative. The difference in
    "seriousness" (subjectively, as viewed by me) between an Olympus EPL-2
    and a Nikon D3100 is smaller than that between the D3100 and a D3. Of
    course, that does let the Pentax Q system sneak in, and it shouldn't :) .
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Sep 12, 2011
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  18. I do have to point out that I like them, own one, and love that
    designation.

    But I accepted long ago that I'm weird :) .
    Yeah, probably.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Sep 12, 2011
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    Irwell Guest

    You have stumbled on the truth, ILC is a good choice,
    and extend that to include ILRC for the reflex version.
    SLR dates from the old film days when there were Double Lens Reflex
    and Single Lens Reflex.
     
    Irwell, Sep 12, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    What reflex versions?
    There is no bending or redirection of the light path to an OVF.
    I certainly shouldn't have point out that in the case of both SLR & TLR
    the light traveling through the lens, to the VF to the eye, is "bent"
    or "reflexed". With the "ILC", including those with an EVF there is no
    "bending" of the light path. So no inclusion of an "R" is necessary.
    Yup! See above.
     
    Savageduck, Sep 12, 2011
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