Budget Camcorder?

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Dan, Aug 20, 2003.

  1. Dan

    Dan Guest

    Hi all,

    I'm basically after an affordable budget video camera. I considered a "DV"
    camera, although I've come to the conclusion that you have to spend in
    excess of £500+ for a half decent one.

    I've got about £300 to spend, it'd only be for domestic use really - but
    naturally, I want the best one I can get for that price ;o)

    One or two options I've considered are the Sony DCRTRV245
    (http://tinyurl.com/kjm5) and the GR-D20EK (http://tinyurl.com/kjmi)...
    obviously, two different formats.

    Would Digital8 be a wise format to go for? And could anyone offer any
    recommendations as to which would be best?

    Thanks in advance,
    Dan, Aug 20, 2003
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  2. why not look at one of these :


    Mini dv for £289!!







    Ide certainly look at any of the above over a digital 8 one
    Simon Wimpenny, Aug 20, 2003
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  3. Dan

    Jerry. Guest

    And were the hell do those URL's go, to worm / virus infested pages or
    perhaps a few KP pictures ?....

    Please use the full URL, if someone can't cope with a line wrapped URL then
    perhaps they should not bother !
    Jerry., Aug 20, 2003
  4. Dan

    Dan Guest

    Dan, Aug 20, 2003
  5. Dan

    Dan Guest

    Or maybe to a product page for a few camcorders.
    I would've thought you would be able to trust the validity of the links by
    the content of my post. Maybe not.
    Dan, Aug 20, 2003
  6. Hi
    I guess " is it any good" can cover a multitude of things Dan.

    I was just trying to give you a few options so you can look for reviews on
    the net etc.

    If it were my money ide go for the Sharp one, (but then again ide spend the
    extra £80 and go for the JVC one,lol) ive read good things about Sharps new
    range in a couple of magazines. At the end of the day only you can decide
    wich one to actually buy depending on what you atually want to use it for,

    Ide certainly look round on Google though for reviews.
    Simon Wimpenny, Aug 20, 2003
  7. Dan

    Dave R Guest

    Personally I'd rather have a compacted URL. The page on tinyurl does
    inform you of the full URL that you are being redirected to. You have the
    chance to abort if you want to.

    Who knows what's behind any URL anyway?

    - Dave.
    Dave R, Aug 20, 2003
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    Andy Guest

    Or they could use a safe Internet Browser like Opera or Mozilla and not
    bother to worry about such things at all :).
    Andy, Aug 20, 2003
  9. Dan

    Jerry. Guest

    So use the full URL, what are you trying to hide, if nothing then why not
    use the full URL ?
    Well seeing that you don't know who the hell I am and I don't know who the
    hell you are....
    Jerry., Aug 20, 2003
  10. Dan

    Jerry. Guest

    Well there is a very strong chance that (for exp.),
    http://www.panasonic-broadcast.com/ , is going to be something to do with
    Panasonic - tinyurl.com/xyz is not.
    Jerry., Aug 20, 2003
  11. Dan

    Dave R Guest

    So you click on the tinyurl and look at the what it's redirecting you

    No problem :)

    - Dave.
    Dave R, Aug 21, 2003
  12. Dan

    Dave R Guest

    NO it's not. It's the fault of the people writing the software that we
    use. You cannot blame the public for not patching their systems... it
    doesn't work.

    All software will have bugs in it, but some of these worms are exploiting
    basic buffer overflows that a junior programmer should have beaten out of
    them early in life.

    There are so many bugs with so many patches, asking the users to decide
    which ones they need, and to keep their systems up to date is not
    Dave R, Aug 21, 2003
  13. Dan

    Dan Guest

    I guess you could apply the same idea to cars - when you buy the car, there
    is much less chance of it going wrong, than say 10 years down the line. As
    the condition of the car deteriorates (in context - more security holes are
    found) it is your job to carry out maintenence on the car. If you don't
    maintain the car sufficiently, it will eventually become disfunctional.

    If people know how to maintain their car sufficiently when appropriate, why
    would it be so difficult to expect them to do the same with their computer?

    Dan, Aug 21, 2003
  14. Dan

    Dan Guest

    Most people use Outlook Express, which wraps long URLs. In that case, the
    link becomes unclickable, therefore the user must copy and paste two (or
    three, or four...etc...) parts of the URL into the address bar, then hit
    return / go.

    Tiny URL makes it much, much easier to view a link - people are not obliged
    to help with a problem on Usenet, but if they see a TinyURL, as opposed to a
    5 line URL which their newsreader has wrapped, they're much more likely to
    have a look.
    Welcome to the Internet.
    Dan, Aug 21, 2003
  15. Dan

    Dan Guest

    Sorry for being a bit vague - but I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to
    these sorts of things ;o)
    Yeah, I've been searching through reviews. Some very critical & informative,
    some contradictory to user reviews...etc... it's easy to become bogged down
    with opinions!
    General use really :eek:) Domestic use - holidays, parties...etc... there isn't
    really a specific use for it really.

    I'm very tempted by the JVC
    (http://www.rgbdirect.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1390), owing to
    it's price, and the fact I popped into a local shop selling the GRD21EK, had
    a play, and it looked like a really nice camera.

    Then again, I would hate to spend £290 on a camera, then realise for £40
    extra I could've got a vastly improved quality camera with more features.
    Thanks for your help so far by the way, very useful :eek:)
    Dan, Aug 21, 2003
  16. Hey Dan

    The more you look into it the more your gonna get confused as to what to
    Im sure you'll see pros and cons for all the cameras,

    If you want my honest opinion ide go the extra £100 and go for this one:


    Go into yor local Currys/Dixons/Comet and have a play about with one, they
    sell the same model. The size of it is fantastic, and whilst i know a lot of
    pro camcorder people say small is worse, for what you and i want to do with
    it small is better, you will use it ten times more than if you have a bigger
    cumbersome one, that you have to get out of a case and do 10 things to it
    before your ready to shoot. At the time i bought the smallest one one i
    could find that did everything i needed and more, ive used it a LOT more
    than i would have had i bought a bigger one, you dont realise this untill
    youve had both.
    just my 2p worth

    "horses for courses , its the market forces"

    Simon Wimpenny, Aug 21, 2003
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    Dave R Guest

    It doesn't work. It isn't working. It isn't going to work.

    You personally may update everything, but your average home user isn't
    as clued up as you so obviously are. The proof is here, now.
    Good grief, change your record. Have you just been allowed to use the
    word damn or something, you seem really proud of it.
    Yeah, at their convenience, not ours.
    Dave R, Aug 21, 2003
  18. Dan

    Dave R Guest

    <spurt of coffee>
    Look ma, it's the idiot that believes everything he's told.
    Dave R, Aug 21, 2003
  19. Dan

    Dave R Guest

    Good point Jerry. Given that they use a minimal set of characters, one
    would think that they are recycled.
    Dave R, Aug 22, 2003
  20. Dan

    Dan Guest

    Quite possibly - do you know what the difference is between the TRV250 and
    TRV250E? Cheapest I've found is at
    http://www.digital-point.co.uk/model.asp?ID=306, and that's the "E" version.

    After reading a few reviews, is battery life a problem for this cam? I know
    you can buy accessories to remedy this, but I don't really fancy paying
    What about a few years down the line though? Won't DV be more widely used?
    Dan, Aug 22, 2003
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