Busted Microdisk - Suggestions?

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Angus Manwaring, Mar 30, 2005.

  1. I was doing a location photographic job for somebody today, with my Nikon
    D1X, and after finishing a batch of shots that took a while to set up and
    arrange I pushed the shutter release and nothing happened. I looked at the
    display and it was flashing an error, "CD" for card, I think. I had my one
    and only, one Gig card in, and it definitely wasn't full.

    I changed to a 128mb smartcard, and all was well. I thought I'd recover
    the images from the 1 gig card when I got back.

    But all I get from the Nikon software (is it Capture or View?) is some
    "unexpected result" error message.... and I noticed that if you give the
    card a gentle shake a faint rattle can be heard - don't know if its always
    been there, as I very seldom need to remove the card from the camera.

    Now I'm more than willing to admit it when I think I've cocked-up
    (mostly!) but the camera was on a tripod, one short worked, the next
    didn't, with no impacts in between. I've never had a card fail on me
    before - how common is this?

    And, is there any hope of recovering the images on the suspect card? Its
    not the end of the world or anything, but it would be nice. :)

    Thanks for any advice.


    All the best,
    Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

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    Angus Manwaring, Mar 30, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Ask Tom Scales and John Francis. They have more faith in these things
    than we do.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 30, 2005
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    Scott W Guest

    card.
    I don't know of any microdrive as small as 1 gig.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Mar 30, 2005
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  4. Now, you do. Hitachi makes one.

    http://www.flash-memory-store.com/1gbibmmiccf1.html


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    John A. Stovall, Mar 30, 2005
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    G.T. Guest

    They started out smaller than 1 GB. 340MB, I believe. Just a year ago
    the 1 GB ones were still popular.

    Greg
     
    G.T., Mar 30, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Scott W wrote:

    "IBM began the Microdrive storage device revolution with their first
    340MB capacity CompactFlash Type II miniature rotating disk drive. Next
    came the 512MB Microdrive and then the 1GB Microdrive."

    http://www.steves-digicams.com/microdrive.html

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 31, 2005
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  7. Angus Manwaring

    John Francis Guest


    And, of course, you've never seen a CF failure ...
     
    John Francis, Mar 31, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    John Francis wrote:

    Personally, no I haven't. Nor have I heard of any from anyone with CF
    cards that I know (a bunch). I have heard on the newsgroup of many
    microdisk failures, and very few CF failues.

    But you spend your money where you like, 'kay?

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 31, 2005
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    Ed Ruf Guest

    Is this a Compact Flash card or a microdisc?
    ??? The D1X doesn't support smart cards by my reading of the manual.
    If this is a microdisk it doesn't sound good.
    Compact flash I've never had fail. Microdisc I've never used.
    It this is a physically failed microdisc you could try one of the disk
    drive recovery centers, not cheap though.
     
    Ed Ruf, Mar 31, 2005
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    John Francis Guest

    Oh, I shall. You keep spreading FUD without evidence, 'kay?
     
    John Francis, Mar 31, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I don't have to. The evidence is clear 'nuf. Solid state doesn't break
    as easily as moving parts. Something the time keeping industry figured
    out 40 years ago.

    The only justification for disk drives is they're cheaper and that's
    where they sit in the market. If they were as good as solid state they
    would sell at a higher price as there would be no reason to have a lower
    price.

    Have fun.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 31, 2005
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  12. The original microdrive was a 340MB. The 1gig one was the *big* one
    that came out a while later.

    All of which was some time ago, and I don't think anybody bothers to
    make microdrives that small *today*, given how cheap compact flash
    that large is *today*.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Mar 31, 2005
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    John Francis Guest

    OK - produce some.

    I've seen lots and lots of anecdotal claims, but nobody ever
    shows figures to back them up. If Microdrives were such an
    obvious risk, there ought to be clear evidence to support this.
    But when you ask for the evidence, all you ever get is claims
    that it's obvious, so no evidence is needed.

    If it were so obvious, there should be *some* evidence, somewhere.

    Without evidence, you're just rumour-mongering. It's just one of
    those things that 'everybody knows', which may turn out to be untrue.

    After all, not only do you have to show that a Microdrive has a
    higher failure rate than a similar-capacity CF card under use
    conditions typical of a digital camera - you have to show that that
    difference is significant in terms of putting the images at risk.
     
    John Francis, Mar 31, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Well you show me the evidence that Microdrives are as reliable. Please.

    The price says it all: If microdrives were as good they would fetch the
    higher price of CF.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 31, 2005
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    Scott W Guest

    It seems pretty easy to find data regarding the failure of microdrive
    and not surprising they do fail more then CF cards, what else would you
    expect.

    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6395-6476-6480

    CF cards are so cheap that for me I am not will to risk the use of a
    mircodrive, I have no need to. Other who need more then a couple of
    gigs storage might feel differently

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Mar 31, 2005
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  16. When I bought my D70 about a year ago, the salesman gave me a 380
    Mbyte microdrive. It still said IBM on it, but he said th eHitachi man
    had given it to him as a sample. I didn't get another card until a
    month ago.

    So they did exist.



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    dylan Guest

    Don't know of a cure, but my IBM 340MB microdrive has always had a 'faint
    rattle' if you shake it, never been a problem.
     
    dylan, Mar 31, 2005
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    McLeod, Mar 31, 2005
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    Larry Guest


    Anyone who considers the frailty of a hard drive to be an "Urban Myth" hasnt
    got a grip on reality.

    In truth the Microdrives are much more "shock proof" than thier bigger
    cousins that live in our laptops and desktops, but they are STILL hardrives,
    and subject to failure due to shock that wouldnt faze a memory chip.

    Whether or not that type of shock is likely to occur when the Microdrive is
    used with a digital camera is MUCH more dependant on the photographer and his
    habits than it is on anything else.

    If you are likely to take your CF cards out of your vest pocket and dump them
    into a box on your desk like you would some pocket change (as I do) then the
    Microdrive probably isnt for you (or me)

    OTOH if you always treat the CF cards as if they were valuable delicate
    instruments (which they probably are) and you always set them down gently,
    and you NEVER EVER drop them from 4 or 5 feet high onto the ground or floor,
    then go for the microdrive..


    The hardest part of this argument for me to understand is WHY WOULD ANYBODY
    GIVE A COWS CRAP WHETHER YOU USED CF CARDS OR MICRODRIVES??????

    If someone posts a question here like:

    Should I use Microdrive or CF card??


    The best answer is:

    They both work well, the microdrive is more sensitive to shock than the CF
    card, and sometimes slower to save the picture, this may or may not be a
    problem for you.

    END OF LOGICAL ANSWER:

    Anything further is just anecdotal BULLSHIT.

    EXAMPLE:

    I have had a 200gb desktop harddrive fall from a 38 inch high workbench onto
    a concrete floor, and suffer no damage except for scratches.

    Does it prove anything????

    Nothing except that I was really lucky that day, because it was a one time
    occurance and anecdotal.

    Same goes for all the stories about Microdrives that survive maltreatment..
    it all equates to one thing... Sometimes you get lucky.
     
    Larry, Mar 31, 2005
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