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Why is it that some people on this group think that expanding one knowledge
is such a dirty thing to do, perhaps it's because they themselves can't
grasp the theory etc. behind DV and wish other to stay as ignorant as they
are.....

<snip more crap from Mr Morgan>

 

I don't need to read any webpages Jerry, i'm discussing miniDV,
nothing else, i claimed that it is possible to have recordings made
using miniDV equipment to be broadcast on national TV.

And you denied it.

I never claimed that it was broadcast direct from a miniDV tape as you
are now suggesting as we spent a week or so discussing what
conversions it goes through.

I'm not arguing about who's right and who's wrong i just think you
shouldn't write off miniDV as easily as those who use other formats
do.

 

Yeah, sure i am, i don't feel the need to boast about what i have
done/been involved with as i feel it has no bearings on my beleif.

I said that miniDV footage can be broadcast, i never said it was a
broadcast format and you know this.

It's funny how i've resorted from personal comments about you isn't
it? Makes me think someones getting irrate.

Let me clear this up once and for all, just tell me which of these
statements you beleive to be true, no if's or but's just true or
false:

1. It is possible to record something on a miniDV tape and have it
broadcast on national TV.

2. Digital recordings are better than Analogue.

3. The final output (That which appears in our homes) of digitally
broadcast TV (Such as the mpeg streams from sky digital/freeview etc)
is of less quality than a native miniDV format recording.

4. The final output (That which appears in our homes) of digitally
broadcast TV (Such as the mpeg streams from sky digital/freeview etc)
is of less quality than a native 'pro' digital format recording.

5. There would be a very large noticeable difference in quality
between broadcast mpeg streams that have been converted from MiniDV/DV
than that which has been converted from other 'Pro' formats.

6. There would be a very minor difference in quality between broadcast
mpeg streams that have been converted from MiniDV/DV than that which
has been converted from other 'Pro' formats that most viewers would
not notice.

7. Malcolm's single-handedly keeping tape manufacturers in business

 

Yes you do, if you did you would know that miniDV is not a broadcast format
and the reasons why it is not. QED.

No I didn't you total fuckwit, I said that miniDV is NOT A BROADCAST FORMAT,
if you don't know what is mean by that phrase then you have no bloody righ
in tryingf to agrue the sodding toss about this

Go and find out what is meant by the phrase BROADCAST FORMAT FFS.

If you say it is a broadcast format that is EXACTLY what you are suggesting.

So you admit that I am correct and you have been talking total BS.

 

Your original posts implied to me that you could just bung a DV tape
in any old playback device and feed it down the line to the
transmitter. Jerry said the output would have to be 'legalised' first.
He was right. Maybe we both read something into your post that you
didn't intend.

I remember having to remind you of that when you appeared to be
suggesting otherwise. Maybe I got hold of the wrong end of the stick
but I could have sworn it was Jerry who argued that 'conversions' were
required and it was you who took some persuading of that. Nice to see
that he has 'converted' you too to his ideas.

Seems a bit silly to continue an argument now that everyone's views
are so closely aligned. Non-broadcast formats are broadcast. It cannot
be denied and I don't think Jerry argues otherwise. Doesn't help in
the quality stakes but that's the way this country is now. Everywhere
you look, nothing works properly any more.

 

If we're talking formats that are broadcast, how's about satellite
phones? Hardly "broadcast quality" - some of the best examples of
JPEG/MPEG compression ever seen, I guess, but still happily broadcast on
occasions. I gather than when the "ghost ships" arrived in the NE, the
BBC even went as far as broadcasting from the camera in a mobile phone
("to show it could be done").

 

And all those devices come under the heading of special cases, in other
words, if they were not used there would be no other way of obtaining (just
about) moving images from the given location. All set out in plain English
in the pdf document I cited.

 

I never once claimed it was a broadcast format, i said that you can
record using miniDV and have it broadcast, two totally different
things.

Jaysus you get annoyed easily, you bought the Broadcast format crap
up, i never claimed that miniDV was a broadcast format, all i've been
saying is that footage from miniDV can be broadcast.

Why be such a kid about this? you're swearing and getting so irrate
and we're discussing video formats it's ridiculous.

If i was in the wrong i would hold my hands up and say so, it's no
skin of my nose.

 

Look i've worked with miniDV conversion to mpeg broadcast i know they
require a conversion i never said this was anything but the case, the
same as digi-beta needs to be converted.

The moment i joined this argument was when someone made the 'I get fed
up when people are led to beleive they can have their movies broadcast
on tv using minidv cams' and i made the point that you can, and it's
escalated due to Jerroogle getting over-excited as usual.

If you're bothered which i am sure you are not, just check the thread
history and you will see that i have said the same thing from the very
start.

You both certainly got the wrong end of the stick if you really
thought i didn't realise there were conversions to be made.

Jerry did deny it at the beginning, he said that the only show on TV
that broadcasts MiniDV footage was 'You've been framed' I then
provided links to many shows that uses it as well as films that have
been broadcast on uk TV.

At which point he began talking about specs and crap like that, and i
explained that when it's broadcast it's all the same format, i likened
it to a cutting machine chopping the original footage, and that
whether DV is as good as any of the pro formats it all goes through
the cutter and ends up as less format i.e. mpeg2 (for sky digital
etc).

He's done a massive U-Turn and if i am the only one who can see this
then i'm very surprised, but that's life. I'm just surprised to see
him get so upset it's not a life/death issue is it?

 

Hasn't the penny dropped yet? Jerry is nothing more than a foot-stomping
little boy who, by taking things completely out of context, massages his
ego by going into another of his rages.

Next thing he'll be doing is inventing things that you have said simply
to sustain his tantrums..

Because he's an infantile idiot who simply enjoys confrontation. God
knows what he was like as a child.

What's new? Haven't you noticed how many threads have been tail-ended by
Jerry - clearly because so many folk make the wise choice and simply
kill-file him. Problem is he'll simple change his nick/addy (as he has
often done in the past) to get around it - which sort of says it all.

Just ignore the prat. He's clearly one of those people who's ego thrives
on conflict
--
Tony Morgan
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice,
there is." - Yogi Berra
http://www.camcord.info
http://www.rhylonline.com

 

At which point he began talking about specs and crap like that, and i
explained that when it's broadcast it's all the same format, i likened
it to a cutting machine chopping the original footage, and that whether
DV is as good as any of the pro formats it all goes through the cutter
and ends up as less format i.e. mpeg2 (for sky digital etc).

He's done a massive U-Turn[/QUOTE]

Of course he will do so. That's his style - but in doing so he'll start
quoting you out of context and/or inventing things that you have said
(or at least mis-quoting you - as in this particular instance).

You're not. A lot of folk have simply kill-filed him. Be prepared though
for him changing his nick/addy (again) when he's realised that an
appreciable number of people have done so.

Don't be. He's one of these sad people who's ego is sustained by
conflict which he endeavours to generate and sustain.

To Jerry's ego it is.
--
Tony Morgan
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice,
there is." - Yogi Berra
http://www.camcord.info
http://www.rhylonline.com

 

Good advice which i shall take on this particular thread.

 

I had really decided not to get any further involved in this thread
but..........

VJs are now a permanent post in broadcasting (starting at around 28K per annum),
they research, shoot on miniDV (150/170s), script, edit (Final Cut Pro) and,
depending on the newsroom, feed direct to transmission with any tweaking being
done automatically.

Discuss the meaning of special cases

Stuart

www.mckears.com

 

I don't actually see much of a U turn by Jerry but as you rightly
said, was it something worth following that closely? And Jerry sure
went right over the top at the end.

BTW, how is it that you can call everyone names and not attract
criticism from you know who? Baron Von Jerry may have a certain ring
about it but the others don't seem to have much appeal. Surely you
aren't associating all of us with the Gestapo?

 

Not when someone is calling you a liar, I bet you would soon get annoyed if
someone was to first twist what you said and then call you a liar....

The only 'Gestapo' in this group are the ignorant idiots who, when proved
wrong, twist, lie, and troll those who know more than they (and will
probably ever) know.

 

liar....

Are you reminding me of Patricia's comments? Yes I did on one level
find her twisting and lying annoying but I was consoled by the fact
she could not substantiate her claim that I had made (technical)
mistakes for which I should apologise. Neither, by the standards of
newsgroup abuse, does calling someone Patricia amount to much. The
more she pushed her single complaint the more she had to exaggerate
and eventually lie. Wouldn't be surprised if the so called holiday was
just an excuse to duck out of a lost argument.

After she resorted to calling us both 'suckers' (apparently that isn't
abuse) I likened her to candy floss and the only four letters I might
put before the word wit is 'half'. Your version does however sum
up the situation admirably on occasions but it's not one I'd be likely
to use myself.

I suspect many of us can work out for ourselves who these people are
and maybe it would be best to leave it at that - but sometimes the
temptation to highlight their sins proves irresistable. If it's any
consolation I didn't think you put a foot wrong technically and the
gradually drifting goalposts were none of your doing.

 

Thanks, I bought Sonys at just less than 3 pounds plus points from
Boots.
And thanks to all for the advice.
T.