Buying a digita camera = Nikon l D80

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Bob, Jan 13, 2007.

  1. Bob

    Bob Guest

    I went to buy a D80 and walked away the camera just felt very plastic very
    disappointing
    and the thought of having to remove dust from the sensor put me right off
    I could be looking to sell my Nikon film lens and camera bodies

    The school kids selling them in the high street shops did not help
     
    Bob, Jan 13, 2007
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    dedMEET Guest


    You get what you pay for. For the money, the D80 is a damn good camera,
    probably the best DSLR in its price range. If dust cleaning bothers you so
    much, then go for the even cheaper, even more plastic Canon 400D. Cleaning
    the sensor is a fairly easy process so long as you take care and there are a
    couple of really good online articles explaining how to do it. Trying not
    to change your lenses in the middle of a dust storm helps too!

    If you want a high quality chassis then spend double the money the D80
    costs. Unless you spend a huge amount moe, the camera you choose probably
    won't take much better pictures than the D80, but your metal fetish will be
    satisfied :)
     
    dedMEET, Jan 13, 2007
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    babaloo Guest

    Having a bad hair day?
     
    babaloo, Jan 13, 2007
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    gpaleo Guest

    Nice try, troll
     
    gpaleo, Jan 13, 2007
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    Frank B Guest

    I really do not understand the "very plastic" statement. I have owned
    the very best quality cameras (e.g. medium format Hasselblad and
    Pentax) and I am totally pleased with the quality of the D80. It feels
    very solid, and it is beautifully made and a joy to hold and use. As
    'plastic' bodies go the D80 is among the best. DPReview says of the
    D80 "Nobody quite does a quality plastic body like Nikon, it feels
    tight and solid, wrapped around a good metal chassis." However, since
    you are not satisfied with the body you may want to consider the Nikon
    D200 or Canon 30D. These have magnesium bodies. If you really need
    dust removal you may also want to consider the Pentax 10D which has a
    body more like the D80, but has dust removal and stabilization and
    weather sealing. Each of these cameras has a decent sized viewfinder,
    which I believe is very important to good composition. I have the D80,
    as overall I think it is the best camera (except for the D200 which is
    too heavy for me) and because I have the 18-200VR lens which I love.
     
    Frank B, Jan 13, 2007
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    Bill Guest

    I agree.

    I switched from Canon to Nikon to get the D80 since it has a better
    viewfinder, better ergonomics, and better performance. Yes it has a
    polycarbonate body over a metal frame, but so do most consumer cameras
    including the Canon XTi, Pentax K10D, and Sony A100. Plastic bodies are
    not an issue like the plastics of years ago - these things are pretty
    solid and tough.

    The kit lenses (18-70 and 18-135) are much better than the Canon 18-55
    as well, and Canon has nothing in the 18-70 range that comes close to
    it's performance at a reasonable price. The Canon 17-85 is very poor by
    comparison yet costs a lot more.

    The only camera that matches the D80 is the Pentax K10D, however reports
    are that the image quality is not up to the others even though it uses
    the same 10mp sensor as the Sony and Nikon. It might just be a firmware
    issue though.
    And don't be fooled into thinking that the so-called self cleaning
    sensors means you won't have to clean the sensor. None of the cameras
    with a cleaning mode work effectively. Read the reviews of the cameras
    at the site below for sensor cleaning results:

    http://www.ephotozine.com/equipment/tests/index.cfm

    Hit the drop-down list and select "Digital SLRs", then click on the
    various reviews. About half way down in each you'll see the results of
    the sensor cleaning features and how they don't really work that well.

    They may help to remove some dust, but if you want a clean sensor, you
    WILL have to do it manually with any DSLR. And it's not hard to do
    either:

    http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com/
    That's why I bought the D80. It has almost all of the features from the
    D200 but costs half as much, and it takes great pictures.
     
    Bill, Jan 13, 2007
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  7. It sure looks damn good to me, and will be my next dSLR. My 35mm SLRs for
    the last 20+ years have been polycarbonate over a metal chassis too, and as
    far as I'm concerned that works just fine.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Jan 13, 2007
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    Bill Guest


    Dang, I didn't recognize the name so I presumed it was a serious post,
    but you could be right. Oh well, maybe other people got something out of
    the thread.

    :)
     
    Bill, Jan 13, 2007
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    C J Campbell Guest

    Sure, "Bob." Or should I say RichA?

    Well, anyway, you do not have to remove dust from the sensor. It is unlikely
    to get any dust on it in the first place unless you work in really filthy
    conditions.

    The "plastic" is nearly indestructible.

    But if you want a finely crafted metal body and a real work of art, go for
    the Leica M8. You get what you pay for.
     
    C J Campbell, Jan 13, 2007
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  10. Well, now. Several bit.
     
    John McWilliams, Jan 13, 2007
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    tomm42 Guest

    If you don't like the D80 try the D200, a faster more solid camera,
    feels a lot like my old Canon F1AE.
    The dust thing is a big non issue, with my D200 it took 8 months of not
    being very careful about changing lenses. Had the camera on a beach in
    St. John and in the desert in Nevada. I've blown out the camera once, 2
    blow from a Rocket Blower and the dust bunny was gone. Nikon does have
    an antistatic coating on their AA filter (the area you clean). It has
    been a great camera. I don't like the camera stores where I live, 2
    within a 50 mile radius, so I just buy from Levine Camera in Boston or
    B&H in New York.

    Tom
     
    tomm42, Jan 13, 2007
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    Bob Guest

    Thank you this is the sort of constructive reply I was expecting..
    ... I am a film user and looking to buy my first DSLR .. it is a big step so
    I am cautious.
     
    Bob, Jan 13, 2007
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  13. I'll second the notion that sensor cleaning is no big deal. You
    *do* need to buy the equipment necessary to do it though. Most
    of the time it is exceedingly easy, because just a couple blasts
    of air from a Rocket Blower is enough. But when you do
    eventually end up trying to do a wet mop cleanup, it might take
    a bit of practice to get the hang of it.

    Regardless, the dust only shows up when you take shots with the
    lense stopped way down and have a high key area where the dust
    shows up. Hence this time of year, when most of what I do is
    with the lens wide open (the sun won't come up for another 10
    days here), I wouldn't notice if there was anything less than a
    *huge* chunk of something on the sensor!

    And, fortunately, most dust spots can be removed with post
    editing anyway. Hence when you do get one it won't ruin the
    whole shoot. (Compare that to having a grain of sand lodge in a
    film camera in such a way that it scatches the film...)

    Essentially, it can be annoying until you get it all figured
    out, and after that it amounts to nothing.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Jan 14, 2007
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  14. What features are missing on the D80 that the D200 has?
     
    Dave Phillips, Jan 14, 2007
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    DoN. Nichols Guest

    The most important from *my* point of view is the ability to
    meter through AI lenses. That is what I miss in my D70, and I would not
    consider a move to a D80 enough for that reason.

    I would have to dig through the manuals for both (downloaded PDF
    files, of course) to determine all of the other things which I would
    consider important.

    I do know that the mode selector knob to the left of the
    pentaprism on the D200 has a latch so you don't accidentally shift it.
    My D70 does not, and every once in a while I discover too late that the
    quick shot I was expecting to take was lost because I was in perhaps "M"
    (manual) mode when I expected "P" (program) mode as my default. Mostly,
    the shift occurs while I am driving with the camera under my right
    elbow.

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Jan 14, 2007
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    C J Campbell Guest

    You were mistaken for our resident troll, RichA, who is constantly making
    inane posts about plastic cameras.

    However, plastic really is not a problem. I used the D70 for years in
    conditions ranging from tropical to arctic, in typhoons and in all other
    kinds of weather. It held up very well and I still use the camera, even
    though I now have a D200. There are photos of D70s and other Nikon plastic
    cameras that have been run over by vehicles; the body survived, although the
    metal lens mount, the pop-up flash, and buttons were destroyed.

    As for the D200 suggested, this is an excellent camera. Controls are well
    laid out. You don't have to navigate through several menus to reach most
    features. You could probably drive tent pegs with it. It is weather sealed,
    unlike the D80. It would take a lot to make me part with the D200. However, I
    suspect that it would not survive being run over by a truck.

    These are tough cameras. I would suggest that, since your first impression of
    the D80 was not so good, that you look at the D200 and compare them.
     
    C J Campbell, Jan 14, 2007
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    twilson Guest

    D80 vs D200

    Somewhere in this thread somebody asked what the actual differences
    between the D200 & D80 are, a few that I'm aware of;

    D200 1/8000 shutter, D80 1/4000 shutter
    D200 has Kelvin WB setting, D80 does not
    D200 has an external hot shoe sync connector, D80 does not
    D200 5 fps, D80 3 fps
    D200 variable self timer from 2 to 20 sec., D80 has 4 pre-set intervals
    D200 uses CF cards, D80 uses SD cards
    D200 magnesium body, D80 plastic
    D200 is weather sealed, D80 is not

    Other than these few items the specs are virtually the same and by all
    accounts both are great cameras. The price difference is not quite
    double for a D200 here in Canada, but you could buy a good quality lens
    for the price differential. I agree wholeheartedly with others
    regarding plastic bodies, plastic is not what is used to be (taken a
    close look at your car lately) and is not worth getting bent out of
    shape over... plastic over metal would not rank very high on my
    priority list if making this decision. The D200 has an amazing feel,
    but the D80 sure is lighter and therefore easier to carry around. The
    weight difference is less than 10 oz. between the two cameras, but
    after a long day of hiking rough terrain, 10 oz. may seem more like 10
    tons.
     
    twilson, Jan 14, 2007
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    Bill Guest

    Bill, Jan 14, 2007
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  19. AI meter coupling, Weather & dust seals, CF cards, 5 fps motor,
    magnesium body. PC Terminal for studio flash. 10.2 megapixel 4 channel
    output.

    The D80 is the D50 replacement.
     
    Not Disclosed, Jan 18, 2007
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