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Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by David Hare-Scott, May 12, 2013.

  1. David Hare-Scott

    Sandman Guest

    Not, by any stretch of the imagination can he be. He's someone who
    has evidently worked with some company or companies with Marketing
    departments, but never *in* one of those company's Marketing
    Department. He's making assumptions of what they do without the
    foggiest idea of what really goes on.[/QUOTE]

    Hehe, as opposed to you, I presume? :)
    If that makes you feel better, who am I to hinder you? :)
     
    Sandman, May 28, 2013
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  2. David Hare-Scott

    PeterN Guest

    Almost true. Pre revenue expenses are often classified as startup costs
    and capitalized. (both for tax and accounting purposes.)
     
    PeterN, May 28, 2013
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  3. David Hare-Scott

    Alan Browne Guest

    I'm sure there is a troll sub genus for that.
    "Idiomatic" - and possibly thought of it as even more insulting.
     
    Alan Browne, May 29, 2013
  4. David Hare-Scott

    Alan Browne Guest

    Travel & Living.

    I happen to know of at least one person who incorporated but serving
    only one client she was forced to restate as simple personal income (a
    higher tax bracket, of course).

    I mis-stated much of the above in the sense that a non-incorporated
    business operating with tax numbers can of course expense as well as
    reduce VAT owed by VAT paid on expenses.

    Where it becomes more difficult is to depreciate assets. It's easier,
    for example, to lease a vehicle and expense that (and operating
    expenses) than to try to depreciate an owned vehicle when not incorporated.
    We don't currently have a snitch program though either the provincial or
    federal government is proposing one for snitching on fraud over $100K.
    IIRC the 'reward' is 10%.
     
    Alan Browne, May 29, 2013
  5. David Hare-Scott

    Alan Browne Guest

    On the content of a manual? Not at all.

    Regrettably I was foolish to engage a troll.
    There are the various marketing stamps all over Apple materials. I
    haven't seen the iPad manual (is there one?) so I can't comment.

    Enough already on manuals!
     
    Alan Browne, May 29, 2013
  6. David Hare-Scott

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Hehe, as opposed to you, I presume? :)
    [/QUOTE]
    Yes, actually. My undergraduate degree was in Marketing. My MBA
    included Marketing. I worked as a Product Manager for two years with
    a division of American Hospital Corporation, but that was decades ago
    and I was never involved with a Owner's Manual. I owned a business
    for the rest of my working career. Still, more direct experience than
    you've indicated. Enough to know what Marketing would be called on to
    do and to know that what Marketing does is often not apparent to those
    outside the company.

    I had a pilot's license, but never flew a plane that carried
    passengers commercially.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 29, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    My general, occasionally misguided, faith in the goodness of mankind.
     
    Alan Browne, May 29, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Never underestimate the value of a good snitch, even if he is only good
    for the entertainment value. It is always good to remember, the
    compulsive snitch has to snitch. If he doesn't snitch, he is just a guy
    with a bad story.
    Naturally there is a big difference in classes of snitch; the career
    snitch, the guilt ridden snitch, the plea bargain snitch, the revenge
    seeking snitch, the manipulative snitch, the proud snitch, and the
    guess the truth snitch.

    I have had four regular snitches over the years, all of them gang
    members, two black, two hispanic. One "Hoover Crip", one "Blood", one
    "Fresno Bulldog" and the most interesting survivor of the bunch, an
    older guy who was a drop out from the "Texas Mafia" who led young
    hispanics to believe he was a Southern mexican affiliated with the
    "Eme" or "Mexican Mafia".
    Each of them had ulterior motives, three of them I could trust to give
    good useful information. I would have to analyze what the fourth told
    me, as 25% was good, 50% misdirection, and 25% pure BS.
    Most snitches are just trying to save their own skin, and have little
    to nothing of value to say.

    No IRS snitches in my former line of business.
     
    Savageduck, May 29, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    I had a client who was the victim of a professional snitch. the snitch
    was an accountant who gave his clients bad advice, and then turn them in
    for the reward. A friend of mine heard him bragging about this in a bar.
    She mentioned it to me. Shortly thereafter, his career as a snitch and
    an accountant was over. And the pending criminal investigation against
    my client was discontinued.
     
    PeterN, May 29, 2013
  10. David Hare-Scott

    Eric Stevens Guest

    How do you reconcile that conclusion with this quote from me as a
    response to PeterN's first claim:

    Sandman <>
    <>

    the only reason they would ever ask to see it is to see if
    it follows the company's graphical guidelines, which they
    MAY be in charge of (which isn't a given).

    I can't see how anyone can read that and come away with the conclusion
    that I can't see the presence of marketing if it's not directly trying
    to sell something. The quote is in direct opposition to that.

    In fact, the paragraph you *just replied to* is in direct opposition
    of that, where I clearly say that marketing CAN be involved for
    reasons where they're not trying to sell something.

    You have continuously misrepresented my claims and/or my position on
    the borderline of outright lying about it. Are *you* a troll? Should I
    ignore you?[/QUOTE]

    'I have already suggested you may have problems shifting concepts from
    one language to another. The fact that XX is the commonly given
    English translation of the Swedish YY does not mean that the meaning
    in English is identical to the meaning of the word in Swedish. You
    have already hit problems with this in your discussions of
    accounting.

    I've never tried to lie to you and in fact what I have been saying has
    been back up by others. The most likely explanation is that the
    meaning you are extracting from my writing is subtly different from
    what I intended when I wrote whatever it was you have been reading.

    I have the weight of numbers on my side while you are on your own.
    Perhaps it is you that is lying? That has already been suggested when
    someone said you were a Troll. I don't believe you are lying. I think
    the problem is, at least in part, that you are stubbornly sticking to
    a view of the world which might make sense in the semantics of Swedish
    but is subtly wrong when using the semantics of English. Shift your
    view point and the argument goes away.
     
    Eric Stevens, May 29, 2013
  11. David Hare-Scott

    Sandman Guest

    I have already suggested you may have problems shifting concepts from
    one language to another.[/QUOTE]

    What does that irrelevant, incorrect and insulting suggestion have to
    do with what I wrote?
    In fact I have not. I have had English-speaking people suggest that I
    don't know what Swedish word is the translation of a specific English
    word. That was not any problems of *mine*, really.

    And stop making claims you can't support. You are now saying that I
    don't know the meaning of the word "sponsor" based on me being
    swedish. Instead of just *claiming* that this is true - prove it.
    Should be easy enough, right?

    You spend a lot of words making claims and none backing them up.
    Perhaps you should consider not actually to make claims you can't
    support?
    This is a false claim.
    How could it be? You just made this explicit claim about me:

    Eric Stevens <>
    <>

    you won't recognise the presence of marketing if it's not
    directly trying to sell something.

    How could that be misinterpreted?
    What "weight"? The only "weight" that can be on your "side" would be
    substantiations for your claims, of which you have none. So you're in
    zero G.
    My view point is based on the onslaught of substantiation I have
    provided. You are free to provide countering support of your own, at
    which point I will be more than willing to change my viewpoint in the
    light of more data.

    Up until now. You have provided exactly zero.

    And, your continued insults in the place of reasonable arguments has
    me concluding that you indeed are a troll. Good bye.

    *plonk*
     
    Sandman, May 29, 2013
  12. David Hare-Scott

    David Taylor Guest

    On 29/05/2013 00:09, Alan Browne wrote:
    []
    Agreed!
     
    David Taylor, May 29, 2013
  13. David Hare-Scott

    Sandman Guest

    Yes, actually. My undergraduate degree was in Marketing. My MBA
    included Marketing. I worked as a Product Manager for two years with
    a division of American Hospital Corporation, but that was decades ago
    and I was never involved with a Owner's Manual.[/QUOTE]

    So, basically, I get more exposure to real markering departments than
    you do, since I deal with them pretty much on a daily basis?

    Thanks for clearing that up. Now, please stop posting insults towards
    me. I have never insulted you, nor have I ever been rude to you. Stop
    making claims about me, my knowledge, my experience and my profession
    that you - as you say haven't got the "foggiest idea" about.

    Trolls, they're everywhere.... :/
     
    Sandman, May 29, 2013
  14. David Hare-Scott

    Eric Stevens Guest

    What does that irrelevant, incorrect and insulting suggestion have to
    do with what I wrote?[/QUOTE]

    That has quite a lot to do with what each of us have written. Whether
    or not it is "irrelevant, incorrect and insulting" is another matter.
    I am suggesting that you may not be exactly aware of the differences
    in message content - semantics.
    Nonsense. I've stayed right out of that argument.
    Not so.
    It could easily be misinterpreted if you don't quote what I wrote in
    it's entirety. The full text is:

    Sandman
    ------------
    "For adherence to graphical guidelines and company image, yes. Not
    for marketing purposes (i.e. selling or promoting accessories or
    the device it is a manual for).

    Eric Stevens
    --------------
    You are fixated on the idea that the marketing function is the same
    as the sales function. That's the only reason I can see that you
    won't recognise the presence of marketing if it's not directly
    trying to sell something."
    Well that saves me doing it. :-|
     
    Eric Stevens, May 29, 2013
  15. David Hare-Scott

    Sandman Guest

    Agreed![/QUOTE]

    Me too!
     
    Sandman, May 29, 2013
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