Camcording editing on Computer

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Topper, Sep 24, 2003.

  1. Topper

    Topper Guest

    I have recently purchased a video card to capture video off my digicam and
    was a bit shocked to read the only way to capture video at the same quality
    is at a rate of 170MB per minute. This seems a bit steep and was wondering
    whether this was the only way as I am thinking of buying a DVD writer so I
    could make dvds the same quality as the original but if this is the case was
    wondering how this was possible. I have plenty of memory (448MB on XP) any
    guidance would be appreciated.
    Topper, Sep 24, 2003
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    lpp Guest

    I have recently purchased a video card to capture video off my digicam and
    That sounds about right. Yes, dv quality takes a lot of storage.
    If you want the quality, you must provide the space. Luckily, big
    hard drives are affordable now. You've got sufficient memory, it's
    hard drive space you need.
    lpp, Sep 24, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Actually it's nearer to 210MB *storage* per minute of video (I'm
    assuming that it's storage you're talking about, since speed is not an
    issue if you have a reasonably specified computer).
    You never will achieve this, since DVD uses MPEG-2 which is of lower
    quality than the original DV coming out of your camcorder.
    Depending on the video editor you're using, memory is not usually an
    issue providing you have 256M (some video editors like more though).

    Perhaps you might like to look at which
    might clarify a few things. If you have any questions then, come back
    Tony Morgan, Sep 24, 2003
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    Topper Guest

    I'm not too bothered about hard rive space moreso about putting it onto
    media for playback on a dvd player. What quality settings do I need to use
    on Windows Movie Maker for the same quality Im getting off putting onto a
    video tape (preferably slightly better) for showing on a large screen tv.

    Also if 210MB for a minute is the going rate are you saying you can only get
    25minutes on a dvd disc? seems a bit harsh considering the quality of dvds
    and they are over two hours some of them.

    I havent got a dvd writer yet either so I'm looking to make about a half
    hour vcd on a normal disc. Any one any tips for doing this. What format do I
    need to save my movie file as? will nero do it? How do I know on movie maker
    how big my finished file is going to be?
    Topper, Sep 28, 2003
  5. I'm a newbe myself, so correct me if I'm wrong but this is how I've
    understood it:
    The full quality capture from your DV-cam will consume some 200MB / min of
    storage space, this is also the case with your finished product. However,
    when you export this to a DVD it will be compressed with MPEG-layer 2, which
    will give you a decent looking result.

    Arild M Johannessen, Oct 26, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Yup... You've got it right.

    It's also worth mentioning that SVCD also uses MPEG-2, but you're
    limited to about 20 minutes-worth of video on a CD.
    Tony Morgan, Oct 26, 2003
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    Topper Guest

    So how do I know how much I can get onto a disc when I'm working with it
    pre-compressed on windows movie maker?
    Topper, Oct 28, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Can you explain what you mean by "pre-compressed" ?
    Tony Morgan, Oct 28, 2003
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    Topper Guest

    Well, when I burn it onto a disc if it gets compressed how do I know before
    I compress it, how big a file I can make which will get compressed to under
    4.7gb? and which programs best for compressing and burning also?
    Topper, Oct 29, 2003
  10. There are a number of tools and 'calculators' around to help with
    this. Have a look at for a very comprehensive list
    of stuff.

    Harry Broomhall, Oct 29, 2003
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    Topper Guest

    Thanks quite a comprehensive site. Can you recommend any personally?
    Topper, Oct 29, 2003
  12. Not personaly, no. The 'all-in-one' tools I've been using most
    seem to get it about right. And my projects have never been a tight
    fit on the disks, which makes for a more relaxed approach!

    That site has a 'bulletin board' where people can talk about
    software - probably worth sampling it a bit - but remember to take
    some of it with a large bucket-load of salt!

    Harry Broomhall, Oct 29, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Most video editors tell you (and warn you if the resulting file(s) will
    be "oversize".
    Tony Morgan, Oct 29, 2003
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    Topper Guest

    Can you recommend any in particular?

    Topper, Oct 30, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    I wonder if you would be so kind as to bottom post. It makes it so much
    easier (and makes considerably more sense with proper threading) to hold
    discussions and to respond to various points raised.

    Any way, back to your question. DVD Architect (the DVD "add-on" for
    Vegas. Also Ulead's DVD Studio - though the editing facility is somewhat
    limited with this.

    When I used Edit Studio I used to use Nero for burning DVDs, and that
    certainly does warn about too-large files. Obviously Nero isn't an
    editor though.

    Tony Morgan, Oct 30, 2003
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    Topper Guest

    Well to be honest I use Outlook Express so top posting is easier for me and
    vice versa is more awkward for me but thanks for your help though.

    So if DVD Architect is a add on for Vegas do I need Vegas?

    Topper, Oct 30, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    You might try CTRL/End. I'm sure that even you shouldn't find that
    overly difficult, and might make you look a little less of a cluebie.
    Surprisingly no. All you need to do is to create your movie is one or
    more MPEG-2 files. But unless you want to go into menu's and 5.1 sound
    you might be better advised in using Nero.
    Tony Morgan, Oct 30, 2003
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    Topper Guest

    I'm not getting into this argument again. You do whats easier for you and
    vice versa

    and and thanks
    Topper, Oct 30, 2003
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    Jukka Aho Guest

    You might want to consider installing OE-QuoteFix. It is a
    supplementary program which fixes all the problems Outlook
    Express has with quoting, top-posting and proper signatures.
    You can download it here:

    You're supposed to trim down the quotes, anyway. You can find
    a good guide about that here:

    Jukka Aho, Oct 30, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Hasn't the penny dropped yet?

    Bottom posting is easier for *other people*, but obviously that concept
    is a little difficult for you.

    Top posting makes things *more difficult* for other people (to follow a
    thread and for responding in a sensible manner).

    Or is your top-posting philosophy a test just to make it more difficult
    for people to read/understand/respond to your posts?

    Try it.... get your little fingers out....

    Press and hold CTRL
    Press End
    Release CTRL
    Release End

    Now, that wasn't too difficult was it?
    Tony Morgan, Oct 31, 2003
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