Camera for surreptitious photography?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by george, Feb 19, 2007.

  1. george

    J. Clarke Guest

    I'm sorry, but when someone's "earnest question" is "how do I spy on
    my neighbors for the purpose of ridiculing them" then he's well past
    the point where any kind of "tolerance" is deserved.
    There is a difference between a candid photo and an image taken in a
    venue where cameras are unwelcome for the purpose of subjecting the
    subject to ridicule without the subject's consent.
    Because he's proposing walking into a private building and hiding what
    he is doing.

    It's not a matter of "exploiting images", it's a matter of acquiring
    them by surreptitious means.
    There is a difference between "self-righteous" and "righteous". If he
    wants to take pictures in a gym he should secure the permission of the
    owner and get releases from everyone he photographs like an reasonable
    person shooting in a private venue, not come up with some way to sneak
    photos in a place where cameras are unwelcome and possibly forbidden
    by whatever contract he signed when he did what he had to do to gain
    access to that space.
     
    J. Clarke, Feb 19, 2007
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  2. george

    J. Clarke Guest

    And nicely rounded so it won't do too much damage when the ER
    physician extracts it from his butt.
     
    J. Clarke, Feb 19, 2007
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  3. Per george:
    Would the owners allow it? I keep hearing about gyms that don't even allow
    cell phones in the exercise areas.
     
    (PeteCresswell), Feb 19, 2007
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  4. george

    Bill Funk Guest

    A gym is not public.
    You spoke earlier of "REDICULOUS" practices that you want to shoot;
    why if not to ridicule such practices and their practitioners?
    The larger point, though, is the privacy policy of the gym. Getting
    caught can have serious consequences; thus the need for
    surreptituousness.
    First, you'll need permission from the gym, then from all subjects.

    --
    Al Gore attended Grammy Awards
    parties in Beverly Hills on Sunday.
    Everybody assured the former vice
    president that he will take home
    the Academy Award for Best Documentary.
    This time they're just going to keep
    counting the ballots until he wins.
     
    Bill Funk, Feb 19, 2007
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  5. Per C J Campbell:
    Personally, I wouldn't go the picture-taking route. I'd approach the
    owner/manager and lobby for some explicit, posted rules. But having spent most
    of my adult life in-and-out of gyms I think I understand the OP's perspective.

    In an exercise facility, there are usually many people sharing a limited number
    of machines. The greater the population density, the more essential etiquette
    becomes and the more frustrating to the rest lack of observance of same becomes.

    If everybody follows certain rules, a *lot* of people can share the equipment
    productively. It doesn't take that many people's not following the rules to
    change everybody else's workouts into frustrating, negative experiences.
     
    (PeteCresswell), Feb 19, 2007
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  6. george

    C J Campbell Guest

    I used gyms quite a lot by myself back in the day. I agree, photographing
    people misusing the equipment is not the solution to the problem. Education
    is. George appears to be part of the problem, not the solution.
     
    C J Campbell, Feb 19, 2007
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  7. george

    C J Campbell Guest

    I would not want people surreptitiously taking pictures of me in the gym,
    whether I was using the equipment properly or not. If I found out it was
    going on, I would have a talk with management and, if it continued, find
    another gym.

    George knows what he is doing is wrong. That is why he is trying to hide it.
    Next, I suppose he will be using a shoe camera to take pictures up ladies'
    dresses.
     
    C J Campbell, Feb 19, 2007
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  8. george

    C J Campbell Guest

    Of course it occurred to him. That is why he is trying to do it secretly.
     
    C J Campbell, Feb 19, 2007
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  9. george

    C J Campbell Guest

    He doesn't care. That is why he wants to keep it a secret. If it was allowed
    and it wasn't going to bother anybody he could use a DSLR. But he knows that
    what he is doing is way over the top, that if he was caught he would at least
    be expelled from the gym and at worst have the crap beat out of him or sued.
    It does not seem to occur to him that these reactions are entirely justified.
     
    C J Campbell, Feb 19, 2007
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  10. george

    J. Clarke Guest

    If I really wanted to I could get away with it--everybody's used to my
    Clie with the headset and I don't generally tell people about the
    camera unless I'm going to use it.
     
    J. Clarke, Feb 19, 2007
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  11. george

    george Guest

    Sue me for what? For posting a photo with a highly laudatory caption,
    such as "Look at this guy, he is amazingly strong, and what a superb
    technique!"? I am not defaming anyone, just expressing my admiration. If
    some readers will laugh, it is not my fault.
     
    george, Feb 19, 2007
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  12. george

    ASAAR Guest

    "He doesn't care" may be literally correct. Just going by his
    replies, his request now appears to be less about getting a workable
    spy cam. than getting rises from his troll.
     
    ASAAR, Feb 19, 2007
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  13. george

    J. Clarke Guest

    For use of his likeness without consent, invasion of privacy, and I'm
    sure any decent lawyer can find some other things to hit you with.
    One does not have to "defame someone" to have committed an actionable
    offense.
     
    J. Clarke, Feb 19, 2007
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  14. george

    King Sardon Guest

    George is most likely not disclosing the real reasons for wanting to
    do sneaky photography. My guess is he wants to take pictures of girls
    on the beach. And that might be okay depending on your viewpoint.
    Consider how many pulchritude-bearing light rays are wasted on a
    typical sweaty day at the beach. What's the harm in capturing a few of
    these?

    KS
     
    King Sardon, Feb 19, 2007
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  15. george

    george Guest

    Jeez, I didn't know that so many lawyers post here.

    Lots of people wear headphones and walkmans to the gym. An idea would be
    to conceal a webcam-like camera in one the earmuffs (the advantage is
    that you'll not have to stare at your subject) and store the images in
    the "walkman". What kind of hardware would be necessary? Thanks.
     
    george, Feb 19, 2007
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  16. george

    J. Clarke Guest

    Why don't you call MI-5 and ask for "Q Branch"?
     
    J. Clarke, Feb 20, 2007
    #36
  17. george

    Bill Funk Guest

    Of course it is.
    Thus, George's desire to be surreptitious; he wants to do this without
    being caught, because he know what will happen if he is caught.

    --
    Al Gore attended Grammy Awards
    parties in Beverly Hills on Sunday.
    Everybody assured the former vice
    president that he will take home
    the Academy Award for Best Documentary.
    This time they're just going to keep
    counting the ballots until he wins.
     
    Bill Funk, Feb 20, 2007
    #37
  18. george

    Bill Funk Guest

    Your desire to conceal the camera is indicative of your knowledge that
    taking these pics will not be appreciated.
    Otherwise, a simple compact P&S camera would serve well.
    You do yourself no service.
    Walkmans and headphones compare to a hidden camera... how?

    --
    Al Gore attended Grammy Awards
    parties in Beverly Hills on Sunday.
    Everybody assured the former vice
    president that he will take home
    the Academy Award for Best Documentary.
    This time they're just going to keep
    counting the ballots until he wins.
     
    Bill Funk, Feb 20, 2007
    #38
  19. george

    C J Campbell Guest

    Check your meds. You know that what you are doing is unwelcome, otherwise you
    wouldn't be trying to conceal your activities.

    If you think people would appreciate your comments, why don't you make them
    in person? "Wow, your technique is amazing!"

    Good rule of thumb in life -- don't do anything that if somebody found out
    about it would get you punched in the nose. Just because you can get away
    with something doesn't make it right. It is called integrity, a concept which
    once was well spoken of.
     
    C J Campbell, Feb 20, 2007
    #39
  20. george

    J. Clarke Guest

    I generally phrase that "don't go out of your way to piss somebody off
    unless you've got a damned good reason".
     
    J. Clarke, Feb 20, 2007
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