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Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Alfred Molon, Nov 18, 2012.

  1. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    I forgot to mention the very worst, a 1983 PanAm flight from
    Johannesburg to JFK with a 90 minute stop in Monrovia. I believe this
    had to be one of the original 747's. This plane seemed to be falling
    apart in midair. Interior panels were loose and flapping about and it
    was not pleasant to experience shaking and rattling for about 16 hours
    while being fed bad cafeteria food.
    Savageduck, Nov 24, 2012
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  2. Alfred Molon

    tony cooper Guest

    Our best meal on an airplane was on Aer Lingus from Chicago to Shannon
    (Ireland). There was one stop in Montreal, and dinner was served
    after that stop. The food was better than most, if not all, of the
    meals we had in Ireland on that trip. That was in 1969.

    In 1983, we again flew Aer Lingus to Shannon. I wouldn't say that
    meal was the worst airline meal we've had, but it was your basic,
    average, airline fare. This time, though, the food was better in
    Ireland. I'm partial to smoked salmon, and no smoked salmon in the US
    comes close to what we had in a rather ordinary seeming restaurant in
    tony cooper, Nov 24, 2012
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  3. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    why don't *you* read it first?

    *nowhere* did i say ipads run flash, nor did the article i quoted.

    you are the troll, and one who is lying about what i say.
    Guest, Nov 24, 2012
  4. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    things have come a long, long way since airfone.

    gogo is pretty good. it's very popular, so on occasion it can be a bit
    slow if half the plane is trying to watch youtube, but they're working
    to increase bandwidth to the planes. it's more than adequate for web
    surfing and email.
    that's fine. for other people it is. you do realize what you like is
    not what the rest of the world wants, right?
    then you fly on crappy airlines too. airline food up front can be quite
    good, although it's not like it used to be. the wine quality, however,
    has gone down on most domestic flights, although alaska has wine and
    beer from local wineries and breweries, which are generally pretty
    out of all the flights i've been on with gogo (hundreds), i can only
    recall two instances where it didn't work. one where it was working but
    the flight crew said it wasn't and then they shut it off, and another
    where there was a gogo card in the seat pocket but no signal. that's an
    extremely low failure rate.

    i've experienced more mechanicals than gogo failures. those can be much
    more of a hassle.
    how is it you know what most business travelers want?

    a lot of people like to travel in comfort and/or get work done, which
    is why some will *pay* for f/j rather than chance an upgrade.

    business travelers are almost always on their laptops, with or without
    wifi, and when there's wifi they can communicate with the rest of the
    company which is usually very important. they don't normally play
    games, but even ceos are entitled to relax a bit now and then.
    i.e., trolling. that's all you do.
    Guest, Nov 24, 2012
  5. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    true, i forgot spirit is a cheap-ass airline. so $218 for the majors,
    as of yesterday and that could change at any time.
    that's what bereavement fares are for, which a gds won't show you. or
    use miles, which is one of the better uses for miles, actually.

    walk-up fares are never the cheapest. a funeral is an edge case.
    in other words, it's not a valid comparison of fares. why am i not

    if you are going to compare fares on different airlines you need to
    compare the *same* fare buckets.

    you don't compare mid-level fares on one to super-discounted on another.
    Guest, Nov 24, 2012
  6. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    learn to read. i don't need to recharge the ipad or laptop.

    if there's an outlet on board i use it, but if not that's ok too.
    Guest, Nov 24, 2012
  7. Alfred Molon

    tony cooper Guest

    More bullshit from you. You ever tried to get a bereavement fare?
    Generally, a person has a week's notice unless the deceased is Jewish.
    It's not a "walk-up" situation. Not everyone has miles credit,

    And, just for the record, if my wife wanted to visit relatives in
    Rockford in the future, she'd want to use Allegiance. It's the most
    convenient choice from here to there.

    She's not interested in looking at the top of the clouds from a
    window, she doesn't have anything to plug into a power point, she had
    no problem with the seating on her previous flight, she'd rather buy a
    soft drink if she wants one than fight the hassle of ORL, she travels
    light, and she doesn't want to drive or take a bus from O'Hare to

    This is just another example of your ridiculous notion that everyone
    else should do things the way you do or are in the same situation you
    are and therefore should be criticized for doing it differently.
    Also, another example of you ignoring the facts of a post and
    blabbering on about things that have no bearing on the post.
    Of course it's valid. It's valid for the day that I provided the
    link. If I wanted to book a flight on that day, that's the fair fare
    comparison. All the fares were comparable for the date used.
    All the figures were current for that day.

    Just for shits & giggles, I compared Allegiant and Delta for March
    6th. Allegiant is $98.30 and Delta is $119.00. Allegiant charges $35
    for a checked bag, Delta $25.00.

    However, Delta's flights are not direct and the travel time is either
    4 hrs and 20 min or 5 hrs and 13 min. (depending on the flight) and
    then add a couple of hours for arrangement and ground travel to
    Rockford from O'Hare. Also, add the price of a rental car or shuttle

    Allegiant's travel time is under 3 hrs and no additional ground travel
    time or cost.

    I'd still pick Allegiant.
    tony cooper, Nov 24, 2012
  8. Alfred Molon

    tony cooper Guest

    I was a business traveler for decades. I can't recall how being
    out-of-touch with anyone for three hours or so was ever a problem.
    Most of what is done on the laptop by a business traveler in-flight is
    doesn't require wifi. The wifi stuff can be done in the Departure
    tony cooper, Nov 24, 2012
  9. Alfred Molon

    Alfred Molon Guest

    I won't comment on what you wrote, a large part of which is simply

    You should read again what you wrote in this post and in your previous
    ones. It's full of offensive language and personal attacks. Not exactly
    the way in which civilised individuals talk to each other. I also have
    to say that I'm surprised that you get so upset for such small issues.

    I'm pulling out of this discussion and adding you to my killfile.
    Alfred Molon, Nov 24, 2012
  10. Alfred Molon

    Eric Stevens Guest

    What you actually said (and in context) was:

    "Garry Winogrand, perhaps the successor to HCB who coined
    the "decisive moment" concept, left behind a mere
    300,000 or so yet to be reviewed and or edited image
    when he passed on. Among those were 2,500 not even
    developed rolls of film."
    English is my first language and I would read your paragraph as saying
    _nothing_ about whether or not those 2500 rolls of film were ever
    developed. Certainly saying they were not developed at the time of
    Winogrand's death does not imply that they were developed at a later

    I'm not sure that English has any way of simply expressing the idea
    that the 2500 rolls of film were not developed until after Winogrand's
    death other than an explicit statement such as "Among those were 2500
    rolls of film which were developed after he died".

    In fact, you only made clear that the films had been developed when in
    a later article you wrote:

    "His editor (John Szarkowski, Director of Photography at New
    York's Museum of Modern Art from the 1960 into the early
    1990's) had them developed, and along with the other as
    yet unedited images, they were *all* properly reviewed."
    I'm sure Winogrand would have loved to have had a digital camera in
    those days if such things had been available.
    Eric Stevens, Nov 24, 2012
  11. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    you're out of touch with modern society (no surprise there).

    today, people want to be connected 24/7. they carry smartphones in
    their pockets that are more powerful than the computers they used to
    have on their desks and are online all the time. they complain when 3g
    isn't fast enough because it's overloaded (think about why it might be
    overloaded). they get notified on emails, news events and much more, as
    it happens. those with traditional cellphones won't go anywhere without
    one either, even if it's 10 minutes to the grocery store.

    in other words, it's nothing like how things were 'decades' ago.
    not necessarily, and you have no idea what a business traveler today
    needs to do anyway. a lot of companies only exist in cyberspace. there
    is no physical corporate headquarters. they *have* to be online to
    what 'wifi stuff' is that?

    sometimes it might, but many times it has to be done asap and cannot
    wait until the arrival lounge.
    Guest, Nov 24, 2012
  12. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    yes i have, and it was cheaper than anything else i could get.

    anything within a couple of days is considered a walk-up fare. 1 week
    is usually the shortest advance fare but there are sometimes 3 day

    however, for a funeral, people tend to want to leave as soon as they
    can to be with family. they're not going to want to wait 3 days, let
    alone a week, to get a better fare. in other words, it's a walk-up

    not that it matters since the vast majority of airline tickets are
    advance purchases. it's sad when someone must fly for a funeral, but
    the reality is they're edge cases for the airlines.
    a lot of people have miles. it's so incredibly easy to get miles these
    days *without* flying that there's no excuse not to. sign up for a
    credit card, they're up to 35-40k bonus just for signing up. a couple
    of years ago, chase was offering 100k miles for a card. or buy a lot of
    that's fine. however, she's not the only person in the world who flies
    and sfb & rfd aren't the only two airports in the world either.

    it's also allegiant air, not allegiance. it helps to have the name
    actually, it's another example of *your* ridiculous notion that
    everyone else should do things the way your wife did.

    most people don't want to be nickeled and dimed, which is why there are
    so few airlines that do it. it's also not a sustainable business model
    since their costs aren't dramatically less than the majors.

    sfb-rfd is not a major route and the majors are happy to let someone
    else fly them with a la carte fares.

    allegiant can't compete with the majors on routes such as jfk-lax &
    jfk-sfo. they have a very limited number of routes.

    however, for the cheapskates on leisure routes in cities they serve,
    it's an option.
    it's not valid.

    comparing different fare buckets is bogus. simple concept.

    if you want to compare different buckets then why not compare full y on
    allegiant (most expensive) versus t on delta or o on aa (most
    discounted). if what you're suggesting is valid, then that comparison
    is also valid. works both ways.

    airline fares are not simple. in fact, they're incredibly complex.
    so what?

    ua's cheapest fare bucket for that day was 0ed out. that means their
    cheapest fare was *gone*. sold out. not available. what's left are
    higher priced buckets.

    a flight on a different day might have a better fare, or you could wait
    for yield management to release seats in the lower bucket. that won't
    work for a funeral but it can easily work for a typical flyer.
    so almost the same, assuming you check bags, which not everyone does,
    and some get that perk for free anyway. then add in the fees for
    checking in, printing boarding passes, a drink or two, etc, and it's
    not as cheap as it may seem.

    that's how airlines are trying to fool naive customers. they offer a
    lowball price and then tack on extras, in the hopes they don't notice
    the total might be higher.

    rental car companies are starting to do it too. i priced a rental car
    for $14 a day last week. that's *really* cheap, except that it didn't
    include all sorts of fees. by the time all that crap was added in (all
    of it required), it was something like $40 a day, which is typical for
    a daily rental and was consistent with other rental companies that just
    said $40 up front.
    for *you*.

    for others, delta could be the more convenient flight. or maybe another
    good. they need more people like you.
    Guest, Nov 24, 2012
  13. Exactly Eric, now *READ* it. "as yet ... when he passed on"

    The time frame for all of it was clearly *1984*. But Alfred
    kept insisting that the film was never developed *AND* that
    the guy should have been using digital.

    Now, that's just silly!
    As in I certainly did not, as Alfred claimed, say that they were
    never ever developed.
    Read it again. "As yet", is clearly suggesting that it
    wasn't then but was at some later date. Otherwise I
    would have "never to be developed".

    Besides are you also unaware of who and what Garry
    Winogrand was? If so, why not simply use google to
    learn what they heck to comment was about?
    But you miss the simple fact that the point of the discussion had
    nothing at all to do, at the time I wrote that, with whether
    they ever were or not. The point was that at his death there
    were 2500 undeveloped rolls of film.

    What amount of smarts does it take to assume that the estate of
    Garry Winogrand, one of the most highly regarded photographers in
    American history at that point, would want to develop the film and
    have all of the unedited material cataloged and archived?

    His editor, John Szarkowski, just as you should expect, immediately
    set to work on that project and did not stop until it was entirely
    Wow, that must have come as shock to you, eh? Can you imagine
    someone would do that with photographs taken just some dead
    guy named Winogrand??? Snicker...

    It was probably worth millions...
    But of course they were not, so insisting multiple times
    that he had wasted film by not using digital is absurd.

    So is your defense of that!
    Floyd L. Davidson, Nov 24, 2012
  14. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
  15. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    Horses for courses. But, unlike others here, I would never try to impose
    my preferences on you, and I doubt you would try to impose your
    preferences on me. (Except of course if you were traveling on my
    business, at my expense.)
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
  16. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    Generally I found the worst to be the blessedly defunct, Eastern.
    I used to fly between FL and NY about once every two months. In those
    days NorthEast was about the best. In those days, AA and Delta were
    fairly decent. But, it seemed all my horror stories happened on Eastern.
    Of course I cannot forget the time KLM lost my luggage between Amsterdam
    and Zurich, a non-stop flight.
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
  17. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/24/2012 12:26 PM, tony cooper wrote:

    Can you even get decent smoked salmon in Orlando?
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
  18. Alfred Molon

    tony cooper Guest

    Did I get some attributions mixed up? I thought nohelp was still
    responding. Sorry, Peter. I should have noticed the capitalization.
    tony cooper, Nov 25, 2012
  19. Alfred Molon

    tony cooper Guest

    Sure, in certain places.
    tony cooper, Nov 25, 2012
  20. Alfred Molon

    tony cooper Guest

    The extra ground cost is valid for anyone traveling from here to
    Rockford. The extra time is valid for them, also. That route flys
    three days a week, every week, so there are evidently a few other

    Speaking of naive people, you ignore the ground costs, ground time,
    and extra air and ground time.
    tony cooper, Nov 25, 2012
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