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Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Alfred Molon, Nov 18, 2012.

  1. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    Do you own a mirror.

    Are you aware that some business travelers actually work on the plane,
    and don't have the time for frivolous activities?
    I see you are still talking out of your ass.
    You have no idea what I do, or what I have done.

    You did not answer my question. Give us a verifiable number.

    How much time do you spend flying in a year?
    Hundreds of flights? Since when? You might even be a million mile flyer.
    Congratulations!
    You are right. I should have qualified that statement by inserting the
    word "successful."
    Depends on why they travel. I used to continually review my files, not
    all of which were digitized. When I was preparing for a negotiation,
    every detail was planned in advance. Tony Coo[er knows exactly hat I mean.

    So! I'm in favor of motherhood and apple pie, too. What does that have
    to do with whatever point you are trying to make? Nobody here is sure
    what that is.
    BTW you have no told us how much this sometimes unreliable and
    frustratingly slow WiFi connection costs.
    yep! That a known fact.
     
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
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  2. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    Why would you use it. You don't need it, and someone else may?
     
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
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  3. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    I started flying business class because of my wife's disability, mainly
    because of the seating comfort for her and her lack of mobility once on
    the plane. Her last flights were the 2005 SFO-JFK United round trip,
    and those proved to be too much for her.
    Due to accumulated KLM & United milage I was able to fly business class
    on a further 4 KLM, and 2 Delta flights since she died. I haven't done
    much flying recently. I am mostly sticking out West taking road trips.
     
    Savageduck, Nov 25, 2012
  4. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    We flew First or business for similar reasons. My wife used to need a
    mobility scooter, and has a history of phlebitis. I am well over 6' and
    simply require the legroom. If I sit in a cramped position for any
    period over about 15 minutes, it takes me a while to be able to walk.
    When I was flying for business, I simply needed the room to be able to
    work. Lately we have been taking driving vacations simply because flying
    is such a PITA, and I like to carry a lot of camera gear.
     
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
  5. Alfred Molon

    Eric Stevens Guest

    So how does that inform the reader that the 2,500 rolls of film were
    later developed?
    You are back to your usual trick of trying to win arguments by
    twisting what was said. Alfred Molon expressed his position re the
    2,500 films when he quite correctly wrote:

    '"Yet to be developed" gives no guarantee at all that the action
    [of developing the rolls] will ever be completed. Same for "not
    even developed". There is nothing in these phrases from
    which you can conclude that the rolls of film were certainly
    developed after his death. You should have expressed things
    differently. '
    No, but you left him with that conclusion for several interchanges
    until you wrote:

    "It isn't at all unclear about the film. His editor (John
    Szarkowski, Director of Photography at New York's Museum of Modern
    Art from the 1960 into the early 1990's) had them developed, and
    along with the other as yet unedited images, they were *all*
    properly reviewed."

    Until you wrote the above the only explicit statement you had made was
    "Among those were 2,500 not even developed rolls of film".
    As far as I can see you have never written "as yet" in this context
    before the article to which I am now responding. I may be wrong, my
    search engine is a little squiffy for some reason.

    In any case "as yet" doesn't mean that the films would be
    _necessarily_ developed at some time in the future. All it does is
    signify that they had not been developed at the time of writing. It
    doesn't say anything about about what has happened to them after the
    time of writing (after all, how could it?).
    This is not about Garry Winograd. It's about your wriggling and
    squirming in your attempts to avoid taking responsibility for not
    expressing yourself sufficiently clearly.
    Exactly, and you had said nothing about whether or not they were ever
    developed. Then you started jumping on Alfred Molon when he
    understandably concluded that the films were never developed. Then,
    when it was pointed out to you that your original statement was wide
    open to Alfred Molon's interpretation you tried to twist and distort
    the meaning of what you actually said.
    But you didn't say that until some time later, did you?
    What's this got to do with your inability to express yourself clearly
    in English (your first and probably only language I presume).
     
    Eric Stevens, Nov 25, 2012
  6. Alfred Molon

    tony cooper Guest

    Since my business trips took place in the B.L. years, (before laptop),
    I'm a paper and pencil guy. When flying somewhere to make a
    presentation, I'd make one of those two column lists with "Possible
    objections" on one side and "Answers" on the other. It helped me to
    try to anticipate what might be brought up.

    On one trip to NYC, I stumbled on a place that made business cases. I
    had a special binder made with the rings on the top and then had a
    print shop print lined paper punched 3-ring at the top. The pages
    flipped up and over, and the cover zipped closed. It was stiff like a
    clipboard. This gave me a 3-ring binder that took less space
    horizontally and didn't have rings that got in the way of my left-hand
    writing. It was great for airplane travel.

    I don't think I could have worked as well on a laptop if they were
    available then. It would be slower to type and tab and move around
    the page. Neater, yes, but not more efficient.

    nospam will tell me that there are now pads where you hand write with
    a stylus, but that's just a more expensive toy to do the same thing
    you could do with a legal pad and a pencil.

    The one thing I wish I had then was a laptop with a spreadsheet
    program. That's one thing that paper and pencil can't touch for being
    able to figure out permutations of results.

    I had to kinda chuckle at nospam's comment about keeping in touch 24/7
    with mobile devices. There were times I *welcomed* not being able to
    keep in touch. A 3-hour flight gave me 3 hours of thinking time,
    making the occasional note, that was uninterrupted. It was amazing
    how the people back at the office could solve problems and handle
    things on their own if they couldn't reach me. And, they probably got
    more done without me calling them.

    Any manager who thinks the business can't survive if he's not
    constantly in touch has an exaggerated sense of self-importance.
     
    tony cooper, Nov 25, 2012
  7. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    who said anything about frivolous activities?

    they work while connected to the internet. that's the whole *point*.
    who said anything about videos?

    they work while connected to the internet. that's the whole *point*.
    yes it does. apparently you are ignorant about what others do. or just
    ignorant in general.
    not everyone does the same thing as you or tony did. certainly you must
    realize that.

    a lot of people require the internet to do their work.
    if you learned to read before posting, then you'd have seen where i
    told you how to find pricing. hint, it's on the gogo site.
     
    Guest, Nov 25, 2012
  8. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    not enough to have a daily flight.

    what if someone wants to go on one of the 4 days they don't fly?
    they're out of luck. so much for allegiant.
    wrong once again.
     
    Guest, Nov 25, 2012
  9. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    wow i haven't heard that line in years. when cellphones first came out,
    the luddites would say they didn't want one because they didn't want to
    be disturbed. what they neglected to notice was that there's an off
    button. plus, you have to turn off phones on a plane anyway.

    the reality is that internet connectivity is quickly becoming a
    necessity for society.
    twisting things again, i see.

    nobody said the business can't survive.
     
    Guest, Nov 25, 2012
  10. Alfred Molon

    Eric Stevens Guest

    It's you who are twisting things. He said "Any manager who thinks the
    business can't survive if he's not constantly in touch ... ". There
    are many micro-managers who seem to think the business can't survive
    if they are not constantly in touch. Tony is not restricted to
    answering the exact points and only the exact points of prior
    articles. He is welcome to introduce new shades of argument.
     
    Eric Stevens, Nov 25, 2012
  11. Alfred Molon

    tony cooper Guest

    I understand your position. I really do. Three hours of actual
    non-device-enhanced thinking would overload your system and set your
    head to spinning like Rosemary's Baby.

    Do you ever wonder how those of us who owned or worked for businesses
    before mobile devices allowed 24/7 connectivity managed to create the
    business foundation you now operate in?
     
    tony cooper, Nov 25, 2012
  12. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    once again, you think because you don't need it, nobody else does, and
    then you have the gall to accuse me of forcing my views upon others
    when you're doing exactly that!

    technology makes people more productive. why are you so against it?

    nobody (other than you) wants to go back to the dark ages, where adding
    machines, typewriters, paper filing, etc. were the norm.

    if you don't want internet connectivity, that's fine, but don't tell
    others how to run their businesses or their lives. wifi is not just
    offered, but expected at all sorts of places, including restaurants,
    stores, auto repair shops and even highway rest areas. obviously
    there's a need for it. it's not just planes.

    you're stuck in the past.
     
    Guest, Nov 25, 2012
  13. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    And any employee above the clerical level, who can't survive without
    manager for three hours, probably exceeded his skill level.
     
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
  14. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    You made the YouTube comment.
    I'm ignorant enough to know you are full of shit.
    I know that's why Tony was successful; my clients paid me a lot of
    money; and I turned away work because I was too busy.
    Then why would a slow connection have value to them. It seems to me that
    a slow connection would be frustrating and counterproductive.
    You still didn't tell us what actual percentage of US daily flights is
    equipped with WiFi. You seem to ignore that completely, while you have
    the balls to call me ignorant. Deal with the e facts.
     
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
  15. Alfred Molon

    tony cooper Guest

    Where am I imposing my views on other people? I use all kinds of
    modern technology including mobile devices. Certain things fit my
    current needs.

    I use modern technology where it suits me, though. Just because I'm
    able to do something doesn't mean I want to. I suppose I could tweet
    or twitter or whatever that is, but I choose not to. I have no
    problem with others doing it.
    Where have I said I don't want internet connectivity? It's a stupid
    thing for you to say since we are corresponding using internet
    connectivity. You think I connect to newsgroups using a crystal and a
    cat's whisker?

    Show me one post in which I've suggested that others do as I do in
    anything.

    I do believe in using modern technology, but not in being used by it.
     
    tony cooper, Nov 25, 2012
  16. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    Yup! Nothing like having a face to face over a meal, while surfing and
    checking your email. Sure adds a lot to business productivity. If not a
    business meal, it enhances your social standing, by telling your dining
    partner{s} that the Internet is more important than they are. I guess I
    am just being ignorant by saying that.
     
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
  17. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    Damn! I better lube the beads on my abacus, my calculating has been
    slowing down recently.
     
    Savageduck, Nov 25, 2012
  18. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    then why are you rambling on about the choices of others?

    people use products and services that fit their current needs, which
    aren't the same as what you want or need.

    if someone wants wifi on a plane, so what? they don't have to justify
    it to you or anyone else.
    then what are you going on about being away from the internet for 3
    hours?

    again, if someone wants to get online from a plane, so what? that's
    their choice, not yours.
    you're dismissing 24/7 connectivity, which for some people is what they
    need to do their work. or maybe they just like to pass the time online,
    especially when on a plane.

    if someone wants to be connected while on a flight, what difference
    could that possible matter to you?
    bullshit.
     
    Guest, Nov 26, 2012
  19. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    twisting what i said again.

    just because something can be misused does not mean it is always
    misused. and who are you to say whether it's misused or not?

    plenty of people used to bring paper documents to meals and discuss
    them too.
    yep, you sure are.
     
    Guest, Nov 26, 2012
  20. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    wrong.

    you are once again lying about what i said.

    all i said was wifi on a plane.

    *you* decided that wifi on a plane meant that whatever some unknown
    person was doing had to be frivolous, despite the fact you have
    absolutely no idea what it is they're doing online.

    furthermore, what is frivolous to you might not be frivolous to them.

    who the hell are you to decide what is important to someone else?
    there are more than just business travelers on a plane.

    leisure travelers might want to watch youtube.

    business travelers generally work, but they're entitled to take a break
    too. it's also possible that their work involves youtube, requiring
    them to use it.

    if you can't figure that much out, then you're stupider than i thought.
    no, you are just plain ignorant and a liar who twists what i say.
    that's nice. it also has nothing to do with this discussion.

    the reality is that these days, people want internet connectivity
    wherever they go. it's expected, which is why a lot of places offer it,
    including airlines.
    it's only slow if a lot of people are doing bandwidth intensive things.
    that can happen, but it's not always the case. it can also happen with
    cable or dsl too.

    in any event, it's fast enough for most things and it's certainly
    better than nothing. you certainly don't need a fast connection to send
    and receive email.
    the major airlines, including american, delta, united and us airways,
    have most of their domestic fleet equipped, if not their entire
    domestic fleet, which means it's highly likely and in many cases
    guaranteed that a flight will have wifi.

    on the other hand, for those who fly on smaller airlines, including the
    budget airlines, then they won't be getting wifi (or much else,
    including drinks), but that represents a minority of passengers because
    those airlines are small and carry fewer pax.
     
    Guest, Nov 26, 2012
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