Camera sales dropping, even DSLRs are hit

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Alfred Molon, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. Roger Cicala, at Lens Rentals, pretty much nails where all of
    these fit into the spectrum. The Sigma 50-500mm has value only
    if the low end of the zoom range the resulting closer focusing,
    are important. It's performance at 500mm is not good. The same
    is true for the two Tamron zooms that go to 500mm.

    The older Nikkor 80-400mm AF-D is fine as long as AF speed isn't
    necessary and the sharpness at 400mm is not super critical. For
    example, well lit events and nature photography of static
    objects, but not for birds in flight.

    The newer Nikkor 80-400mm AF-S is sharper and focuses faster.
    Obviously it still does not zoom to less than 80mm or more than
    400mm and cannot focus closer than 9 feet or so. Hence for
    birds in flight that are close enough, and other moving targets,
    it is preferred over the previous model and also over the Sigma
    and Tamron zooms that go to 500mm, but at the short focal lengths
    the Sigma may still be prefered.

    Tamron's new 200-600mm looks to be a significant addition. It
    is sharper than the 500mm zooms, and may be nearly as sharp at
    400mm as the new Nikkor. And it goes to 600mm. The lower price
    than all of the others is icing on the cake.

    Personally, I was going to get around to ordering a Nikkor
    80-400mm AF-S last summer, but just never managed to do it.
    When Tamron announced their new lens, I assumed it was just
    divine intervention, and immediately pre-order a Nikon mount
    (and thus canceled any ideas for the new Nikkor).
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 5, 2014
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  2. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    I have zero interest at the shorter end as I am well covered up to
    300mm. I have the new 80 - 400, which I sometimes use with the TC14, and
    am not quite happy with the results. The lens does not focus track as
    well as my 70-200 with the TC17. I would like to see if there is
    sufficiently better performance to justify purchasing the Tamron. .
    PeterN, Feb 5, 2014
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  3. Alfred Molon

    me Guest

    Of course your first combo can't track as fast as the second. First,
    it has lower light gathering capability wide open when it is focusing,
    second, it has more mass and a longer zoom range for the focus
    motor/mechanism to deal with.
    me, Feb 5, 2014
  4. Alfred Molon

    me Guest

    On another note, I think Canon may have a better setup where they
    divide the focus distance into three, not two as Nikon does,
    selectable ranges. I for one would like to be able to restrict focal
    distances to the very far end at times.
    me, Feb 5, 2014
  5. That is part of why I kept holding off on the new 80-400mm, it
    doesn't sound as if it does well with a TC, and 400mm simply
    isn't really long enough for my needs. I've got a 400mm f/2.8
    that works very well with TC's... but it is also really big and
    really heavy, to the point that packing it around and setting it
    up more or less means I only use it when photography is the one
    and only dedicated activity. But most of the best opportunities
    I have are when actually doing something else and having lighter
    weight equipment handy allows everything to come together.

    Hence, that Tamron is really interesting to me. But it will be
    a couple months until I get my hands on it, and it will be well
    into July or August before it has a chance to show whether the
    difference is significant. It might well be that a 70-200mm f/2.8G
    VRII with a 2X TC is a more optimum solution for what I do. But
    I'm willing to bet the cost of the Tamron that it is worth it.
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 5, 2014
  6. Alfred Molon

    Bowser Guest

    Agreed, and I can't see replacing my GH3 untill something comes along
    that will help me with all the crappy compositions it seems to
    Bowser, Feb 6, 2014
  7. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    That would be nice.
    PeterN, Feb 6, 2014
  8. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    I did not notice any significant drop off in quality when using the
    80-400 with the new TC14.
    (Heavily cropped and hand held.)

    I looked at the 388 f2.8 and the 300 f4. While the f2.8 is a great
    performing lens, I can think of about 9,000 reasons why it is not for
    me. Besides, it is much too heavy. I saw no significant performance, for
    my purposes, with the 300 f4. hence I will wiat and see how the Tamron
    works with my TC 14 and fits my needs.
    PeterN, Feb 6, 2014
  9. Is that really a surprise? Once you get digital cameras into a lot of
    hands, they will be satisfied. It's getting to that "saturation point"
    that sells cameras. The big fuss is that everyone has moved to digital,
    once there it stabilizes. I had a camera as a kid, too some pictures,
    then didn't get a new camera until I was 20, a 35mm viewfinder. Once I
    had that, my camera needs were filled, until I got a digital camera.

    It's not like the early days of digital where you'd buy that 1.6MP camera
    only to find smething better a bit later, and cheaper. Cameras have been
    'good enough" for about a decade for the masses.

    It's harder to find a cheaper digital camera in the flyers now, they are
    hoping to find people willing to buy up.

    ANd on top of everything else, there is apparently a shift away from
    cameras. As cellphone and tablet cameras got better, the need for a
    standalone camera for the masses diminished, and if they have a camera in
    something else, why carry two things around? I gather it's the same with
    MP3 players, that was in the articles too, and I notice it's harder to see
    anything but a low end MP3 player in the flyers, other than an iPod.

    Michael Black, Feb 6, 2014
  10. That's no different from the "lazy people and their Instamatics".

    Michael Black, Feb 6, 2014
  11. Alfred Molon

    Guest Guest

    you don't even see ipods much anymore.

    there's not much point, when a smartphone *is* an ipod and a whole lot
    Guest, Feb 6, 2014
  12. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    Peter using images which are not much better than thumbnails is a poor
    way to demonstrate "quality". You keep posting that same shot of the
    oyster catchers, which is a nice enough capture, but what we are seeing
    could have been shot with an iphone. The only way I can tell it was
    shot with your D800 was by looking at the EXIF data.

    If you gave us something like a 1280x850 with a little less
    compression, we might see some of the latent quality of your D800 +
    80-400mm combo. So why don't you reprocess the NEF and repost a
    1280x850 (about 700KB - 1MB) or at a minimum a 1024x680 (400-500KB)?

    With the Tamron at 150-600mm, why would you even bother with the TC?
    You shouldn't be using the TC as the qualifying criterion, rather see
    how the damn lens works without the TC, you might be pleasantly

    Your 80-400mm with the TC1.4 is stretched out to a marginal 560mm. A TC
    is not always the best solution particularly when with the Tamron
    150-600mm you have 40mm in hand over the 80-400mm +TC combination,
    which I believe has given you questionable results on your last trip,
    because of your insistence to use the TC in marginal light.

    ....just my opinion.
    Savageduck, Feb 6, 2014
  13. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    However, an iPod Touch is a great option for a parent wanting to give a
    child an iDevice which can take advantage of the app/iTunes catalog,
    without springing for an iPhone. not every 6-13 year old *NEEDS* an
    iPhone and the data plan which goes with it.

    Along with my iPhone I still have a perfectly good 160GB iPod Classic
    (that remains in my car loaded with my road music, though these days I
    find myself using Sirius/XM more) and an iPod touch. By doing that I
    free up a fair amount of space on my 32GB iPhone, and if I want a
    particular piece of music from my library I don't have on my iPhone I
    can just access it via iCloud and dump it later.
    Savageduck, Feb 6, 2014
  14. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    Sorry, I can't comply this time.
    It's a thought. I must use center focus when using a TC with the 80-400.
    I didn't and paid the price. If the Tamron is any good, I will have 600
    instead of 550 to use, and I will be able to use focus tracking.
    PeterN, Feb 7, 2014
  15. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    I keep mine in the car, plugged in at all times. Using the phone as a
    music player for the car is a real PITA. I do not want to be bothered
    unpluging the phone each time I leave the car.
    PeterN, Feb 7, 2014
  16. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    PeterN, Feb 7, 2014
  17. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    That is exactly what I do with mine. My E350 glovebox has an
    iPod/iPhone cable hard wired into the audio system. The iPhone connects
    via BT. If I need to charge the phone there is also a 12v socket in the
    glove box with a USB plug to which I have a second iPhone USB cord
    Savageduck, Feb 7, 2014
  18. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    size is better, but Peter, "very little post"??? I have dealt with some
    very slick characters and I don't think they would try to sell that
    image as an unmolested virgin.
    Then how do you explain the very obvious over sharpening complete with
    haloes. if anything it has been overcooked in post.

    Once more, just my opinion. I call it the way I see it.
    Savageduck, Feb 7, 2014
  19. Alfred Molon

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Eric Stevens, Feb 7, 2014
  20. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    As you should. My post consisted of: cropping; color adjustments' and
    sharpening in ACR. I then ran it through Nik Define2. I saved the image
    in jpeg at the highest settings. I do nto consider that a lot of post.
    PeterN, Feb 7, 2014
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