Can a PB-4 Bellows be Used with a Nikon D100 or D200 Successfully?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by eddie rukidding, Feb 24, 2007.

  1. I have a PB-4 bellows unit and own both a D100 and D200 DSLR.

    Is it safe to mount either camera to the PB-4?

    If so, will I be able to get any type of metering, using a manual
    focus and aperture type lens and realizing I will have to manually
    stop down the lens?

    The more I read on websites on this, the more confused I get and I
    fear damaging my cameras in the process.

    Any help appreciated!!
     
    eddie rukidding, Feb 24, 2007
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  2. eddie rukidding

    Matt Clara Guest

    "eddie rukidding" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I have a PB-4 bellows unit and own both a D100 and D200 DSLR.
    >
    > Is it safe to mount either camera to the PB-4?
    >
    > If so, will I be able to get any type of metering, using a manual
    > focus and aperture type lens and realizing I will have to manually
    > stop down the lens?
    >
    > The more I read on websites on this, the more confused I get and I
    > fear damaging my cameras in the process.
    >
    > Any help appreciated!!


    I'm sorry, I could not find a definitive answer on the web. I use a PB-5 on
    a D200 to good effect. [some hours of googling later] I just found out
    Nikon says I shouldn't do this (though not why I shouldn't do this) and
    mirs.com says it will damage the autofocus electrical contacts. Hmmm... I
    did it for years with a D70 with no ill effects, and several times now on a
    D200 with no ill effects. I'm going to try to contact Nikon and ask them
    directly.

    Ok, I called them, and they don't know. What a crock that was. He said,
    "It doesn't say, so if you're mounting it without any problems, I wouldn't
    worry about it." I wonder whether that individual ever used a Nikon before?

    I've just submitted an Ask Nikon a Question form. They said they'll get
    back to me within one business day. I'm not expecting anything definitive.

    --
    www.mattclara.com
     
    Matt Clara, Feb 27, 2007
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  3. From: "Matt Clara" <>
    > "eddie rukidding" <> wrote in message news:...


    >>I have a PB-4 bellows unit and own both a D100 and D200 DSLR.
    >>
    >> Is it safe to mount either camera to the PB-4?
    >>
    >> If so, will I be able to get any type of metering, using a manual
    >> focus and aperture type lens and realizing I will have to manually
    >> stop down the lens?
    >>
    >> The more I read on websites on this, the more confused I get and I
    >> fear damaging my cameras in the process.
    >>
    >> Any help appreciated!!


    > I'm sorry, I could not find a definitive answer on the web. I use a PB-5 on a D200 to good effect. [some hours of googling later]
    > I just found out Nikon says I shouldn't do this (though not why I shouldn't do this) and mirs.com says it will damage the
    > autofocus electrical contacts. Hmmm... I did it for years with a D70 with no ill effects, and several times now on a D200 with
    > no ill effects. I'm going to try to contact Nikon and ask them directly.
    >
    > Ok, I called them, and they don't know. What a crock that was. He said, "It doesn't say, so if you're mounting it without any
    > problems, I wouldn't worry about it." I wonder whether that individual ever used a Nikon before?
    >
    > I've just submitted an Ask Nikon a Question form. They said they'll get back to me within one business day. I'm not expecting
    > anything definitive.
    >
    > --
    > www.mattclara.com


    Nikon says my 28mm f4 PC of my serial number cannot
    be mounted either, but I say, "Nonsense!" ;-) The bellows
    units and early (non-AI) PC lenses may nudge the body
    meter tab a bit, but if there is no serious deformation of
    the ring it is attached to, and if the rear of the bayonette
    itself cannot contact the electrical contacts, I don't see what
    the problem could be (other than misplacing the tab a bit,
    giving an incorrect exposure, but making sure that the tab
    is back in its normal rest location around the mount after
    the lens/bellows is mounted takes care of this).
    --
    David Ruether

    www.donferrario.com/ruether/
    (note the address change)
     
    David Ruether, Feb 27, 2007
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  4. eddie rukidding

    Matt Clara Guest

    Re: Can a PB-4 (or PB-5) Bellows be Used with a Nikon D100 or D200 Successfully?

    "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "eddie rukidding" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>I have a PB-4 bellows unit and own both a D100 and D200 DSLR.
    >>
    >> Is it safe to mount either camera to the PB-4?
    >>
    >> If so, will I be able to get any type of metering, using a manual
    >> focus and aperture type lens and realizing I will have to manually
    >> stop down the lens?
    >>
    >> The more I read on websites on this, the more confused I get and I
    >> fear damaging my cameras in the process.
    >>
    >> Any help appreciated!!

    >
    > I'm sorry, I could not find a definitive answer on the web. I use a PB-5
    > on a D200 to good effect. [some hours of googling later] I just found out
    > Nikon says I shouldn't do this (though not why I shouldn't do this) and
    > mirs.com says it will damage the autofocus electrical contacts. Hmmm...
    > I did it for years with a D70 with no ill effects, and several times now
    > on a D200 with no ill effects. I'm going to try to contact Nikon and ask
    > them directly.
    >
    > Ok, I called them, and they don't know. What a crock that was. He said,
    > "It doesn't say, so if you're mounting it without any problems, I wouldn't
    > worry about it." I wonder whether that individual ever used a Nikon
    > before?
    >
    > I've just submitted an Ask Nikon a Question form. They said they'll get
    > back to me within one business day. I'm not expecting anything
    > definitive.
    >
    >


    And Nikon's reply:

    "Hi Matt,

    The only bellows we can recommend using on the D200 or the D70 is the PB-6
    bellows. Using any of the other bellows may damage the camera and we cannot
    support it.

    Thank you for contacting Nikon.

    From
    Michael H"


    --
    www.mattclara.com
     
    Matt Clara, Feb 28, 2007
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  5. eddie rukidding

    Matt Clara Guest

    "David Ruether" <> wrote in message
    news:es1pmo$9kl$...
    > From: "Matt Clara" <>
    >> "eddie rukidding" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...

    >
    >>>I have a PB-4 bellows unit and own both a D100 and D200 DSLR.
    >>>
    >>> Is it safe to mount either camera to the PB-4?
    >>>
    >>> If so, will I be able to get any type of metering, using a manual
    >>> focus and aperture type lens and realizing I will have to manually
    >>> stop down the lens?
    >>>
    >>> The more I read on websites on this, the more confused I get and I
    >>> fear damaging my cameras in the process.
    >>>
    >>> Any help appreciated!!

    >
    >> I'm sorry, I could not find a definitive answer on the web. I use a PB-5
    >> on a D200 to good effect. [some hours of googling later] I just found out
    >> Nikon says I shouldn't do this (though not why I shouldn't do this) and
    >> mirs.com says it will damage the autofocus electrical contacts. Hmmm...
    >> I did it for years with a D70 with no ill effects, and several times now
    >> on a D200 with no ill effects. I'm going to try to contact Nikon and ask
    >> them directly.
    >>
    >> Ok, I called them, and they don't know. What a crock that was. He said,
    >> "It doesn't say, so if you're mounting it without any problems, I
    >> wouldn't worry about it." I wonder whether that individual ever used a
    >> Nikon before?
    >>
    >> I've just submitted an Ask Nikon a Question form. They said they'll get
    >> back to me within one business day. I'm not expecting anything
    >> definitive.
    >>
    >> --
    >> www.mattclara.com

    >
    > Nikon says my 28mm f4 PC of my serial number cannot
    > be mounted either, but I say, "Nonsense!" ;-) The bellows
    > units and early (non-AI) PC lenses may nudge the body
    > meter tab a bit, but if there is no serious deformation of
    > the ring it is attached to, and if the rear of the bayonette
    > itself cannot contact the electrical contacts, I don't see what
    > the problem could be (other than misplacing the tab a bit,
    > giving an incorrect exposure, but making sure that the tab
    > is back in its normal rest location around the mount after
    > the lens/bellows is mounted takes care of this).
    >


    Thanks David--mind if I quote you on my website? In context, of course.


    --
    www.mattclara.com
     
    Matt Clara, Feb 28, 2007
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  6. "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message news:...

    > "David Ruether" <> wrote in message
    >> Nikon says my 28mm f4 PC of my serial number cannot
    >> be mounted either, but I say, "Nonsense!" ;-) The bellows
    >> units and early (non-AI) PC lenses may nudge the body
    >> meter tab a bit, but if there is no serious deformation of
    >> the ring it is attached to, and if the rear of the bayonette
    >> itself cannot contact the electrical contacts, I don't see what
    >> the problem could be (other than misplacing the tab a bit,
    >> giving an incorrect exposure, but making sure that the tab
    >> is back in its normal rest location around the mount after
    >> the lens/bellows is mounted takes care of this).


    > Thanks David--mind if I quote you on my website? In context, of course. --
    > www.mattclara.com


    Sorry, the above has too many "ifs" and I no longer have my
    PB-4 - and my memory is too poor to be sure the above is
    correct with the bellows if the "ifs" are removed...;-(
    BTW, all my web pages have new addresses - you may want
    to change mine on yours by adding a "don" in front of the
    "ferrario" on all pages (they then are updated...). Thanks.
    --
    David Ruether

    www.donferrario.com/ruether/
    (note the address change)
     
    David Ruether, Feb 28, 2007
    #6
  7. Re: Can a PB-4 (or PB-5) Bellows be Used with a Nikon D100 or D200 Successfully?

    On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:32:03 -0500, "Matt Clara" <>
    wrote:

    >"Matt Clara" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> "eddie rukidding" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>>I have a PB-4 bellows unit and own both a D100 and D200 DSLR.
    >>>
    >>> Is it safe to mount either camera to the PB-4?
    >>>
    >>> If so, will I be able to get any type of metering, using a manual
    >>> focus and aperture type lens and realizing I will have to manually
    >>> stop down the lens?
    >>>
    >>> The more I read on websites on this, the more confused I get and I
    >>> fear damaging my cameras in the process.
    >>>
    >>> Any help appreciated!!

    >>
    >> I'm sorry, I could not find a definitive answer on the web. I use a PB-5
    >> on a D200 to good effect. [some hours of googling later] I just found out
    >> Nikon says I shouldn't do this (though not why I shouldn't do this) and
    >> mirs.com says it will damage the autofocus electrical contacts. Hmmm...
    >> I did it for years with a D70 with no ill effects, and several times now
    >> on a D200 with no ill effects. I'm going to try to contact Nikon and ask
    >> them directly.
    >>
    >> Ok, I called them, and they don't know. What a crock that was. He said,
    >> "It doesn't say, so if you're mounting it without any problems, I wouldn't
    >> worry about it." I wonder whether that individual ever used a Nikon
    >> before?
    >>
    >> I've just submitted an Ask Nikon a Question form. They said they'll get
    >> back to me within one business day. I'm not expecting anything
    >> definitive.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >And Nikon's reply:
    >
    >"Hi Matt,
    >
    >The only bellows we can recommend using on the D200 or the D70 is the PB-6
    >bellows. Using any of the other bellows may damage the camera and we cannot
    >support it.
    >
    >Thank you for contacting Nikon.
    >
    >From
    >Michael H"



    Thanks for your interest in this topic.

    I read the page on your website regarding bellow use on a d200 and I
    decided to send my PB-4 to Mr. White to get his opinion on possible
    issues with mounting the unit on a D100 or D200 and to see if it can
    be modified if necessary. He had converted a few Nikkor lenses for me
    in the past.

    I'll send feedback on his findings if you are interested.
     
    eddie rukidding, Mar 2, 2007
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  8. eddie rukidding

    Matt Clara Guest

    Re: Can a PB-4 (or PB-5) Bellows be Used with a Nikon D100 or D200 Successfully?

    "eddie rukidding" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:32:03 -0500, "Matt Clara" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>"Matt Clara" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>> "eddie rukidding" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>>I have a PB-4 bellows unit and own both a D100 and D200 DSLR.
    >>>>
    >>>> Is it safe to mount either camera to the PB-4?
    >>>>
    >>>> If so, will I be able to get any type of metering, using a manual
    >>>> focus and aperture type lens and realizing I will have to manually
    >>>> stop down the lens?
    >>>>
    >>>> The more I read on websites on this, the more confused I get and I
    >>>> fear damaging my cameras in the process.
    >>>>
    >>>> Any help appreciated!!
    >>>
    >>> I'm sorry, I could not find a definitive answer on the web. I use a
    >>> PB-5
    >>> on a D200 to good effect. [some hours of googling later] I just found
    >>> out
    >>> Nikon says I shouldn't do this (though not why I shouldn't do this) and
    >>> mirs.com says it will damage the autofocus electrical contacts. Hmmm...
    >>> I did it for years with a D70 with no ill effects, and several times now
    >>> on a D200 with no ill effects. I'm going to try to contact Nikon and
    >>> ask
    >>> them directly.
    >>>
    >>> Ok, I called them, and they don't know. What a crock that was. He
    >>> said,
    >>> "It doesn't say, so if you're mounting it without any problems, I
    >>> wouldn't
    >>> worry about it." I wonder whether that individual ever used a Nikon
    >>> before?
    >>>
    >>> I've just submitted an Ask Nikon a Question form. They said they'll get
    >>> back to me within one business day. I'm not expecting anything
    >>> definitive.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>And Nikon's reply:
    >>
    >>"Hi Matt,
    >>
    >>The only bellows we can recommend using on the D200 or the D70 is the PB-6
    >>bellows. Using any of the other bellows may damage the camera and we
    >>cannot
    >>support it.
    >>
    >>Thank you for contacting Nikon.
    >>
    >>From
    >>Michael H"

    >
    >
    > Thanks for your interest in this topic.
    >
    > I read the page on your website regarding bellow use on a d200 and I
    > decided to send my PB-4 to Mr. White to get his opinion on possible
    > issues with mounting the unit on a D100 or D200 and to see if it can
    > be modified if necessary. He had converted a few Nikkor lenses for me
    > in the past.
    >
    > I'll send feedback on his findings if you are interested.


    Yes, very much so. Thank you.


    --
    www.mattclara.com
     
    Matt Clara, Mar 2, 2007
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  9. eddie rukidding

    Matt Clara Guest

    "eddie rukidding" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I have a PB-4 bellows unit and own both a D100 and D200 DSLR.
    >
    > Is it safe to mount either camera to the PB-4?
    >
    > If so, will I be able to get any type of metering, using a manual
    > focus and aperture type lens and realizing I will have to manually
    > stop down the lens?
    >
    > The more I read on websites on this, the more confused I get and I
    > fear damaging my cameras in the process.
    >
    > Any help appreciated!!


    http://www.mattclara.com/misc/nikonbellows/

    --
    www.mattclara.com
     
    Matt Clara, Mar 25, 2007
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  10. eddie rukidding

    Toby Guest

    Obviously you need to use the lens in stop-down mode, and just as obviously
    you can really only use old-style lenses with a manual f-stop ring. That
    being said, the D200 meters excellently in that mode.

    Toby

    "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "eddie rukidding" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>I have a PB-4 bellows unit and own both a D100 and D200 DSLR.
    >>
    >> Is it safe to mount either camera to the PB-4?
    >>
    >> If so, will I be able to get any type of metering, using a manual
    >> focus and aperture type lens and realizing I will have to manually
    >> stop down the lens?
    >>
    >> The more I read on websites on this, the more confused I get and I
    >> fear damaging my cameras in the process.
    >>
    >> Any help appreciated!!

    >
    > http://www.mattclara.com/misc/nikonbellows/
    >
    > --
    > www.mattclara.com
    >
     
    Toby, Mar 25, 2007
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  11. eddie rukidding

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    PB-4 definitely works with a D40 and D90

    We recently acquired a PB-4 and tried it with both the Nikon D40 and D90. The bellows definitely added a new level of versatility to our macro photography efforts.


    Sincerely,
    RainyDayInterns
     
    RainyDayInterns, Aug 29, 2009
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    Yes you can!

    Hi, I'm faced with same issue (PB-4 on Nikon D3). Done some further digging as not satisfied either with Nikon's replies... You may find this of interest/help. All you need is a mounting ring which is 'modern' and so not going to interfere with the electrical contacts on the body..
    Check out Nikon Bellows Focusing Attachment PB-4 #2 on Flickr

    Proof if ever you need it that it does work...

    You can buy suitable, inexpensive extension tubes (£9.99 including postage) at:
    Amazon Electronics

    Good luck!

    Dave
     
    DRTphotos, Nov 18, 2010
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    luizkutianski

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    I think it should be ok
     
    luizkutianski, Nov 20, 2010
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